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To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (11019)	10/23/1998 11:23:00 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

Sorry Johannes but you missed one of your hypocracies... It's hypocritical to throw an outrage over the death of Matthew Shepard an innocent (well helpless) murder victim and yet condone the Partial Birth Abortion of a living fetus at full term and ninety five percent of the way out of the uterus. OH WAIT!! My mistake, sorry again that is not yours, it is one of the "liberal" hypocracies. They have no outrage for the violent slaughter of an innocent to the Nth degree full term baby? Somebody explain to me how that is not hypocritical.

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (11019)	10/24/1998 10:19:00 AM
From: Volsi Mimir	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

Death is death. abcnews.com Doctor Killed by Sniper ‘Somebody Lay in Wait' Dr. Slepian temporarily closed his office in 1992 during massive anti-abortion protests by Operation Rescue. The Associated Press A M H E R S T, N.Y., Oct. 24 — A doctor who performed abortions and had been the target of anti-abortion protesters was shot and killed by a sniper. Dr. Barnett Slepian, 51, was gunned down by a single shot from a high-powered rifle Friday night. The bullet crashed through a kitchen window as Slepian paused in an office area of his house, Amherst police said. Police believe the assassin hid behind a swimming pool in the backyard of the doctor's house, The Buffalo News reported. “Somebody lay in wait,” said Amherst Police Chief John B. Askey. FBI Warned of Attacks The shooting took place at about 10 p.m. Amherst is near Buffalo. The FBI and the federal Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms also are investigating. The FBI and Candadian police have warned of possible sniper attacks against doctors who perform abortions in the Rochester area and Canada. The warning came after three attacks on doctors who performed abortions in Canada since 1994. Last Oct. 28, a doctor in Richmond, N.Y., was shot while he sat in his home. He was not hit, but he received cuts from debris caused by the shot. Wouldn't Be Deterred Anti-abortion activists claimed a victory when Slepian temporarily closed his Amherst office in 1992 during the “Spring of Life,” the massive protest by the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue in the Buffalo area. Slepian told colleagues that he closed the office to avoid inconveniencing other doctors in his building, but would perform abortions at a clinic in Buffalo. Slepian told friends he was determined not to let the frequent confrontations with protesters deter him. “He said, ‘They're not going to scare me. They're not going to threaten me,'” said Harvey Rogers, a family friend and lawyer who represented Slepian after the doctor faced charges following a clash with protesters in front of his home in 1988. Slepian had dropped by Rogers' son-in-law's home a few hours before the shooting to drop off a birthday present, Rogers said. “It's probably still sitting there,” he said. Copyright 1998 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (11019)	10/24/1998 12:51:00 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

your calling my belief hypocritical is to employ a typical leftist tactic-- no argument, merely the ad hominem. Tee hee. I know a thing or two about the ad hominem, along with numerous other, uh, rhetorical tricks. I got some good ones that have been directed my way, but instead I'll go for a convenient file from a frequent poster here. Who certainly isn't a leftist. Heaven forbid anyone should make a "moral judgment". JLA Who me, watch your terminology. "Party hats" are condoms for the Clintonistas!! JLA Not an artful dodge. Not within your intellectual capacity as I suspected. JLA How about the money Bubba just wasted on his little China kow tow excursion? I guess if you are wasting the money on the PC liberal pet projects, its OK. JLA Very well said. Time for dougjn to label you as an extremist. Let me welcome you to the club. <ggg> JLA I don't think so Mr. Barry. Most people still think that perjury, obstruction, etc. ARE a big deal and most are smart enough to know this ain't about sex. JLA Unfortunately, you people have real trouble grasping the obvious. Hopefully in time even a Clinton apologist such as yourself will begin to understand it. I'm taking the same approach you take with small children and pets. Repetition seems to do the trick eventually. JLA Funny, I don't hear any cogent counterargument? What do you take issue with? Character doesn't matter? Perjury, etc. no big deal? Let's see the refutation Einstein. You are a pathetic excuse for a human. JLA It was no longer "private" once it became the subject of a lawsuit and once he put his hand on that Bible and swore to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The rest of your argument is just plain BS. JLA As I suspected, you are an intellectual coward as well. JLA I will issue you the same challenge I issued Mr. Schuh. Refute the post point by point. I doubt you can but make a try. JLA PS You will have company as he weasled out as well. No, there are not so many of these people. The impeachment hearings will be educational and they will move public opinion against Clinton just as happened in Watergate. JLA Not in my experience. JLA These were directed at a wide variety of people. I can get you better examples if you want.

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (11019)	10/24/1998 12:54:00 PM
From: Volsi Mimir	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 67261

Mr. Pilch, There are no easy answers for abortion.It has been around as long as prostitution, another consequence of SEX=>a basic instinct=>a part of an element in survival and belief=>the nature of man. You cannot pray or legislate it away. If you make it illegal you will put that back into the alleys.I have no answer. I am bothered by it.Its somewhere in the opposite of good=evil; and they (good&evil) are entwined,co exist,attract and polarize,ying&yang---stuff that takes some people their lifetime to scrutinize and philosophize,volumes have written about what I wrote in one sentence.I am but that one bit of sand on the beach. Let get down to the basic. Sex- we are all a product of it.We all have it.Most of us enjoy it.Some of us are good at it.We need it to propagate. Here's one solution: Why the women why not the man? Nip it in the bud before abortion. Have a manditory* vasectomy at puberty.I'm serious. Put BIG money in to make sure reversals have a higher chance of working.Screw around and when you want kids or grow up(mature), bam, get a reversal(maybe only after passing a pop quiz).Teach responsibility.Distinguish between sex and creating life.Teach life is sacred. Vasectomy-If you practice abstinence that will not hurt you. If you masturbate no problem.If you are curious you will not get the girl pregnant.If you get serious (relationship) there will be time to see if it lasts(less divorce or shot-gun marriage,single parent). When you love and want children and family-make it so.I know I left a few things out but trying to find a solution that is real and its is pretty tough esp. with my limited complexity and the attempt in answering for the majority of an overwhelming vast social matrix but for the sake of discussion would this idea be viable? Or is there a solution? check it out: malehealthcenter.com trying be intelligent, knowledgeable and open minded.< eddy I thought of this as I was having a beer and petting my neutered dog, "Lucky" * if not mandatory some way of verifying and if you choose not to and get the girl pregnant-stiff penalties.( maybe Bobbit-style)