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To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (11046)	10/24/1998 11:21:00 AM
From: jbe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

Re: Homosexuality, School Children, and the "At Risk" Concept This is not my territory <gg>, but let me put a toe into the water with a few considerations. 1) It seems to be true that in hot-house same-sex environments, basically heterosexual children, as well as adults, will experiment with homosexual behaviors. For adults, cases in point: prisons; the merchant marine (yes, everybody). For children: Spartan training camps; English public schools (i.e., private boarding schools). In the case of the English public schools, this "homosexual behavior" was not all overt, but there was a lot of "falling in love". And it did not generally endure when the boys emerged into the normal adult world. The conclusion that suggests itself: if you segregate adolescent males from what would be the normal objects of their awakened sex drive -- that is, females; and if you insist on herding them all together in a pressurized, round-the-clock environment, they are likely to turn to one another for "love". (Heck, some adolescent boys would turn to a tree, if there was nothing else available...) No "propaganda" is necessary here. 2) In American schools, boys who "seem" gay (and maybe are) are often unmercifully teased as "faggots", etc. Their lives are made absolutely miserable by their classmates. "Masculine-seeming" girls have an easier time of it, but they do not escape this kind of harassment altogether. It seems to me that teachers have an absolute obligation to stop this vicious teasing (as they would stop teasing based on race, religion, or anything else). They cannot do that without teaching the children to "accept" homosexuality, in the sense of tolerating it in their classmates. No way is that the same thing as teaching them to adopt it. Besides, a normal heterosexual adolescent will not generally look to a member of the same sex for sexual satisfaction, if a member of the opposite sex is available. 3) Homosexual teachers as pedophiles. Again, I would suggest this is a danger only in same-sex environments. In general, there seem to be more heterosexual pedophiles than homosexual ones. And it is my understanding that outright child molesters will molest any child, regardless of sex. jbe

To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (11046)	10/24/1998 3:20:00 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

<<that there's always been so much fear and loathing of homosexuality, it still takes real courage to come out. >> See, here is a double standard. You make it seem like something that heterosexuals do to homosexuals. Heterosexuals generally consider making a public display of their sexuality and anyone else's, something worthy of loathing. So apparently it has been inculturated over the last couple of decades that it is a good thing for homosexuals to come out in public. How many times have I seen a heterosexual stand up on national television to talk about how he "does" his girl friend or her sister. OK, I have seen it. How many times have I seen the audience give him a standing ovation. Never. How often would the same audience give the tearful eyed homosexual struggling to make a public display his private preferences, a standing ovation. Every time. But you want to continue to denegrate mainstream society for its lack of acceptance, and tolerance. You give no credit to the players in this. You give complete responsibility to the outsiders, how far do you think this will get you, and how is this supposed to lead to dignity for the people you are championing.