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To: Sam Ferguson who wrote (21320)	10/26/1998 8:12:00 AM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Sam, "Prior to that the church had brainwashed me I was doomed because I had made too many errors to be forgiven." If they made you feel this way, obviously you were at a BAD CHURCH! I hope you realize that's not the way God wants a church to teach! Steve

To: Sam Ferguson who wrote (21320)	10/26/1998 8:14:00 AM
From: mark silvers	Respond to of 39621

Sam, sorry, I understood where you were coming from and what you meant. I was just adding that post as addendum of sorts, in case anyone wanted to read some clarifying thoughts on the whole process. Mark

To: Sam Ferguson who wrote (21320)	10/26/1998 3:25:00 PM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

<<<<< I have not had the fear of death for the last 28 years. Prior to that the church had brainwashed me I was doomed because I had made too many errors to be forgiven. However I do hope for a painless death. >>>>> DEATH-BED SCENE OF DAVID HUME, THE DEIST (Part 1) David Hume, the deistical philosopher and historian, was born in Edinburgh in 1711. In 1762 he published his work, Natural Religion. Much of his time was spent in France, where he found many kindred spirits as vile and depraved as himself. He died in Edinburgh in 1776, aged sixty-five years. E.P. Goodwin in his work on Christianity and Infidelity revealed Hume as dishonest, indecent and a teacher of immorality. Rev. Robert Hall, in his Modern Infidelity, says: "Infidelity is the joint offspring of an irreligious temper and unholy speculation, employed, not in examining the evidences of Christianity, but in detecting the vices and imperfections of confessing Christians. It has passed through various stages, each distinguished by higher gradations of impiety, for when men arrogantly abandon their guide, and willfully shut their eyes on the light of Heaven, it is wisely ordained that their errors shall multiply at every step, until.. the mischief of their principles works its own antidote. "Hume was the most subtle, if not the most philosophical, of the deists. By perplexing the relations of cause and effect, he boldly aimed to introduce a universal skepticism and to pour a more than Egyptian darkness into the whole region of morals." Again, in M'llvaine's Evidences, we read: "The nature and majesty of God are denied by Hume's argument against the miracles. It is atheism. There is no stopping place for consistency between the first principle of the essay of Hume and the last step in the denial of God. Hume, accordingly, had no belief in the existence of God. He did not positively deny it, yet he could not assert that he believed it. He was a poor, blind, groping compound of contradictions. He was literally 'without God and without hope', 'doting about questions and strifes of words', and rejecting life and immortality out of deference to a paltry quibble, of which common-sense is ashamed. "There is reason to believe that however unconcerned Hume may have seemed in the presence of his infidel friends, when not diverted by companions or cards, or his works and books of amusements, when left to himself and the contemplation of eternity, he was anything but composed and satisfied. "The following account was published in Edinburgh, where he died. It is not known to have been ever contradicted. About the end of 1776, a few months after the historian's death, a respectable-looking woman, dressed in black, came into the Haddington stage-coach while passing through Edinburgh. The conversation among the passengers, which had been interrupted for a few minutes, was resumed, and the new passenger found it to be regarding the state of mind of persons at the prospect of death.

To: Sam Ferguson who wrote (21320)	10/26/1998 3:45:00 PM
From: Chris land	Respond to of 39621

DEATH-BED SCENE OF DAVID HUME,THE DEIST continued..... In defense of infidelity, an appeal was made to the death of Hume as not only happy and tranquil, but mingled even with gaiety and humor. "To this the lady said, 'Sir, you know nothing about it; I could tell you another tale." "Madam,' replied the gentleman, 'I presume I have as good information as you have on this subject, and I believe what I have asserted regarding Mr. Hume has never been called in question." "The lady continued, 'Sir, I was Mr. Hume's housekeeper for many years and was with him in his last moments. The mourning I now wear is a present from his relative for my attention to him on his death bed. Happy would I have been if I could have borne my testimony to the mistaken opinion that has gone abroad of his peaceful and composed end. I have never till this hour opened my mouth on this subject, but I think it a pity the world should be kept in the dark. " 'It is true, sir, that when Mr. Hume's friends were with him he was cheerful and seemed quite unconcerned about his approaching fate. He even frequently spoke of it to them in a jocular and playful way. But when he was alone, the scene was very different - he was anything but composed. His mental agitation was so great at times as to occasion his whole bed to shake! And he would not allow the candles to be put out during the night, nor would he be left alone for a minute. I had always to ring the bell for one of the servants to be in the room before he would allow me to leave it. " 'He struggled hard to appear composed, even before me. but to one who attended his bedside for so many days and nights and witnessed his disturbed sleep, and still more disturbed wakings - who frequently heard his involuntary breathings of remorse and frightful startings - it was no difficult matter to determine that all was not right within. " ' This continued and increased until he became insensible. I hope to God I shall never witness a similar scene.' -Voices From the Edge of Eternity