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To: The Phoenix who wrote (18548)	10/29/1998 12:40:00 PM
From: aladin	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 77397

Gary, Whats really funny about his view is the lack of knowledge about how the 'underlying switched fabric' does its job. Its now called PNNI and the ATM spec is over an inch thick and is specifically called 'PNNI Routing'. If you were not being told it was 'switching' you would swear it looks just like ISIS or OSPF (Layer 3 routing protocols). Having been at some of the multivendor PNNI tests, I can tell you the convergence on switches isn't much different than routers. BTW the delay (latency) imposed by a router is measured in micro seconds - the extra layer in the OSI model doesn't necessarily mean anything in real performance terms. John

To: The Phoenix who wrote (18548)	10/29/1998 12:43:00 PM
From: Eric	Respond to of 77397

Gary, Routers is just a name.. Boy! Isn't that the truth! People keep using these buzz words but they don't understand what they are talking about. Oh well, I'll just go back to my design desk. Gary, Cisco is looking very good here compared to their competition and I am looking forward to the CC. It just keeps getting better and better. The glass is 3/4ths full! Eric

To: The Phoenix who wrote (18548)	10/30/1998 8:59:00 AM
From: jach	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 77397

<Routers is just a name> wrong again. Very simple example that even a kid understands: ships sail in the ocean- airplanes fly in the sky- but, when a ship can fly it's called seaplane Got it. Routers are not just a name.

To: The Phoenix who wrote (18548)	10/30/1998 7:56:00 PM
From: Bong Lewis	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 77397

"This coupled with new QoS capabilities for real-time traffic, and bigger faster platforms providing mixed switch/router environments will continue to drive the industry." it's obvious that there will be no problem for delivering real-time QoS over high-speed network. Anyone can build a faster ATM switch to accomodate that. The question here is what you meant by "a mixed switch/router environments will continue to drive the industry"? this "mix" thing can't clarify anything in order to drive the industry. What if I have a lesser than a T1, let say a FT1 of 64K link connection to the Internet via a Satellite. How can I receive QoS over that 64K link? What CSCO product hardware/software and technology can provide me that solution? If I want to implement multicast Open Shortest Path (MOSPF) routing to reserve bandwidth for that low bandwidth environment, what CISCO router/product shall I use? If you can't answer, dont bring up about technologies, protocols, QoS, and CISCO products here. Just focus on buy/sell and make money on CICSO.