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Gold/Mining/Energy : Day trading in Canada -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: TFF who wrote (1027)11/3/1998 10:41:00 PM
From: keith massey  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 4467
 
It's venting time

Like everyone else on this thread I can only imagine the amount of money that home day traders in Canada could have made or have lost because of slow brokers. I'll give a good example of how 1-minute delay and lousy brokers can cost you. 6 days ago I bought NTL on the opening bell. I was fairly sure the stock was going high immediately after opening because of a good earnings report the day before, positive write-ups by the Post, Globe, etc. and pre-opening activity. I placed a stop order to sell at .50 below my buy price. In the next 8 minutes the price ran up $2.50 – I'm thinking yes I'm in the money big. I saw momentum peak and started to see bids weaken and I change my stop sell order to a sell at a specified price (you can't have a sell order at a set price and a stop order in at the same time with Greenline). If I would have put in a stink bid to speed up my transaction time I would have removed my stop order and risked not have a safety net on a fast moving stock. It took 20 seconds for me to change my order and another 90 seconds for my sell to get up on the boards and by that time my sell price had been reached and it was going the other way quickly. I put in another stop loss 1.50 above my initial buy price to lock in profits. The stock starts trending up again and hits another high 10 minutes later. I change my stop loss to a buy but because of a 2-minute delay I miss the top again. On both sells I would have got filled if my bids would have hit the boards within 30-40 seconds. The stock starts trending down again and in my frustration I place a market sell order. To my horror around 80 seconds later I get filled $1 above my buy price. Although I made a significant amount of money on the trade I was ready to go down to Greenline with a postal workers rifle.

Although we have very poor on line broker service in Canada I also believe that Canadians lack the trading programs and resources needed to day trade efficiently. Programs such as Canada Stockwatch and PCQuotes look archaic when compared to their American counterparts. American programs such as Real Tick III and Cybertrader put Canadian trading programs to shame. Visual and audile alarms for various parameters, scrolling real time news, constant market updates, complex colour coding, earnings info, etc., etc., etc. News on Canada Stockwatch is often delayed hours and the charting and search capabilities are horrendous.

I agree with Irby that there are more day trading opportunities in the U.S. However I also think there are ample day trades in Canada for anyone with a good eye. On any normal day the are over 100 stocks on the TSE that trade 250,000. Most of these stocks have significant swings giving lots of room for day trading. However I think it is the technology that is holding many of us back from are full potential.

Just one man's opinion
KEITH






To: TFF who wrote (1027)11/4/1998 8:56:00 AM
From: the Chief  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 4467
 
Hi irby. I would like to invite you to respond to Scott Adams of Dow Jones;

Message 6273524

I think your knowledge of US systems and your use of them would give him better insight as to the problems we are experiencing! Please take the time if you can....we all would appreciate it!

We all appreciate the advantages of trading US stocks however our intention on this thread is to better our access to Canadian stock markets...with that, obviously, we will have better access to US markets as well. Trading US issues thru our system is worse than trading Canadian Issues. So the intention is to get our trading systems to a level that we can compete!

I have not elliminated switching to US based systems, but like our resolve with Y2K issues Canada and Canadian Banks are lagging in "foresight, direction and vision"! Canadians are pretty "laid back people" hopefully this thread can start an insurrection against incompetence from our over paid banks!!

I intend on ulcerating before I switch !!!!

the Chief