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To: Brian Hutcheson who wrote (41296)	11/12/1998 2:04:00 AM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571438

Hutch - Re: "IBM model E2U with K6-2/333 at $1599 cdn. 25% gain in performance for an extra 115% in price that sounds like the normal Intel price/performance curve . " You seem to be quite confused. You posted the price of two PCs made by IBM and sold by a retailer. The price would be set by both IBM (wholesale price) and the retail vendor. Intel does not set the price of these systems. They are only a component supplier. The Intel CPU may cost 356 dollars (US) more than an AMD chip ($450 for the 450 MHz Pentium II/$94 for the 333 MHz K6-2), but it is IBM and their CUSTOMER - the RETAILER - that PRICE THE INTEL machine $1850 (Canadian) greater than the AMD machine. Clearly, IBM and the RETAILER set MORE VALUE in the Intel machine - and price it accordingly. Paul

To: Brian Hutcheson who wrote (41296)	11/12/1998 2:31:00 AM
From: Bill Jackson	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1571438

Brian, AMD is cleaning up at the low and middle of the market. Their new detail sales force has resulted in huge increases in sales and a nice jump in their share price. In fact both AMD and Intel seem to be prospering. Celeron still seen as a failed product to be avoided, even though it is quite fast and capable. Perceprtion is all, Intel should have made another name for it to distance it from the flies on the first celeron, they buzzed over. Bill

To: Brian Hutcheson who wrote (41296)	11/12/1998 10:28:00 AM
From: Kevin K. Spurway	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1571438

Re: "25% gain in performance for an extra 115% in price that sounds like the normal Intel price/performance curve ." I have a K6-2 with 96 mb of SDRAM running at 3.5 x 112 MHz = 392 MHz. The fact of the matter is that on typical applications in 2D, the difference between this machine and my old K6-233 is not really noticeable (although, for the record, both machines are/were a lot faster than the 200 MHz PPro I use at work). So, in all honesty, I can't figure out why people pay up for 450 MHz PII's unless they're in engineering or otherwise doing some FPU-intensive application (photo rendering, etc.). If you're a gamer, K6-2 or (to a lesser extent) Celeron gives you the performance of a faster clocked PII at a MUCH lower price point. The performance difference is nowhere near 25%. It's more like 2-4%. It's invisible! I have to include that unless you're a heavy professional user of software packages that require serious FPU power, YOU'RE AN IDIOT TO BUY A PII-400 OR 450. If you've got the cash, you're much better investing in a good SCSI drive than in Intel inside and higher megahertz. Kevin