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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (14663)	11/12/1998 3:25:00 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 67261

<<I wager this will be a controversial statement.>> I don't gamble.

To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (14663)	11/12/1998 3:40:00 PM
From: jbe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

But LRR, brees is religious himself...What are you arguing about here? And you're not that easy to follow, either...:-)) jbe

To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (14663)	11/12/1998 3:42:00 PM
From: mrknowitall	Respond to of 67261

Welcome! Mr. K.

To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (14663)	11/12/1998 4:40:00 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

<<...then the "self-determination" is a chimera.>> Academically self-determination involves making choices to manage resources toward goal achievement. Even if the goal is non-involvement in something. I did not mean to imply any omnipotence in the decision making. Of course, there are all kinds of forces we don't control that effect us in our life and living. Self-determination also involves responding to forces we don't control. We do have free will. Religious as well as non-religious folk support that notion. Destiny is another issue. Self-determination in a broader sense leaves lots of room for interesting discussion. <<In l'affaire Clinton, we often see our core ethics expressed in how we stand on the issue. Moralists wanna see the guy's arse kicked early&often. Progressives wanna see the Republican opposition discredited and punished for sensationalizing a side issue. >> The bad guys want to see the mask pulled of the lone ranger. Both sides of this issue thing they are riding Tonto's horse.