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To: E who wrote (25897)	11/13/1998 9:24:00 AM
From: Rick Julian	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

E, I am loving and compassionate, but I don't pity myself and I don't pity others. I own my life and my decisions, and am the product of my choices in all places, now and forever.My philosophy defines a large part of my world view. It was forged in fire, and if you believe it produces some pollyannish serenity, you haven't tried complete self-responsibility, and expected it of others. And you still haven't a clue about my concept of a God that doesn't make decisions for us. I believe God provides the canvas, but the brush is in our hands. I was thinking of you a few days ago, and the recurrent thought was, "E seems mad at a God she doesn't even believe in." Ironic. Rick

To: E who wrote (25897)	11/13/1998 10:09:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

<This is an imposition on the readers of this thread, I know. Skip my next post/s unless your heart is strengthened by the conviction that the described sufferings are God-sanctioned-- that these people have gotten what they, somehow, on a celestial level, deserve.> E, I am probably just muddying the waters here, jumping in in the middle, but aren't there several different concepts of karma? I don't think of it as purely religious, or supporting a helpless condition at all. I think I believe in it more like Sam seems to be saying, as a learning process which includes taking responsibility, rather than simply fate. For example, Sam is saying that he had a significant hand in creating the poor health which led to his painful and precarious medical condition. I also think that I play an important role in much of what "happens" to me. Is it possible that karma in the poor and unfortunate who have NEVER had much of a causative role in their own experience, is different than in relatively privileged western people who adopt it as part of their belief system?