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To: Elmer who wrote (41503)	11/15/1998 2:02:00 AM
From: Ali Chen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574069

Elmer <and I don't believe either Intel or AMD fall into this category.> So you know nothing about the current state at AMD nor Intel. Period. <testing of the BSB at full processor frequencies ... would exceed the timing specification ... of any production tester on the market, making [K7] unmanufacturable> What makes you continue to think that the BSB runs at frequencies you so afraid of? AMD seems to be clear that they are going to use third-party SRAMs. Do you know of a 700MHz SRAM on the market? <but this is the AMD thread and hype is more important than facts.> Facts? What facts have your ever posted here? FUD yes, but facts - I don't recall a single in your posts, only intentional FUD. Remember? "Talent is leaving AMD..." while it appears that the truth is quite opposite - the best DEC engineers are working for AMD and against Intel. <Incidentally, Rambus poses many of the same problems with a data rate of 800mhz, but that's another story....> Aha, interesting! Why would the Rambus be another story? Judging by your bin sort description, your expertise here is quite similar to P.Engel's "expertise" in computers - at 1985' level...

To: Elmer who wrote (41503)	11/15/1998 10:22:00 AM
From: Tony Viola	Respond to of 1574069

Elmer, >>>Again refering to the K7 because it is such a good example, testing of the BSB at full processor frequencies would require a guardband that would exceed the timing specification itself as well as the accuracy of any production tester on the market, making it in effect untestable, and therefore by conventional methods, unmanufacturable...<<< Sounds like some parameters can't be guardband tested at room only. Need still there to go to high, and sometimes low temp also. Must keep those test engineers up nights! >>>Anyone who is doing room temperature only testing is making a major quality compromise and I don't believe either Intel or AMD fall into this category.<<< Sounds like you have a good amount of respect for the integrity of the testing philosophy at both Intel and AMD. Tony

To: Elmer who wrote (41503)	11/15/1998 11:36:00 AM
From: Scumbria	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574069

Elmer, Incidentally, Rambus poses many of the same problems with a data rate of 800mhz, but that's another story.... Perhaps you should elaborate on this. You have suggested that it will be impossible to test the K7 bus, yet the Intel/Rambus problem sounds far more serious. Scumbria