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To: E who wrote (25953)11/15/1998 9:47:00 PM
From: Craig Richards  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
Karma and Orginal Sin are mental devices to allow credulists to continue in a desired, lulling, love-condition while in worshipping mode toward a God-force they must believe is simultaneously all powerful, all knowing, and constitutionally benign.

I respectfully disagree about your view of karma. To me, karma explains that my past actions and thoughts account for a lot of my suffering. Not all of it, but at least some of it. A lot of suffering is caused because I wish for things to be different than they actually are - this suffering is caused by my thoughts. Even with physical problems, often the mental anguish associated with a physical ailment causes more suffering than the ailment itself. It is this mental suffering we create for ourselves. Please note that this does not in any way apply to those innocent infants that suffer horribly, as they have no control over their mental processes. For me, karma can not be used to explain their suffering.



To: E who wrote (25953)11/15/1998 11:08:00 PM
From: Rambi  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 108807
 
Random thoughts--I know very little about karma but reading the posts, it strikes me that it has great similarity to many aspects of Christianity, like the Presbyterian concept of predestination or the submissive belief in "God's Will". People seem to have different levels of need for how much they can accept as irrational or serendipitous before they have to assign meaning of some sort. Without some master plan, the world is a frightening, unpredictable and uncontrollable place. In the same way some people compulsively control their physical surroundings (don't we all know one of those "perfect" housekeepers?), perhaps others need to control their emotional and spiritual environment in order to give their lives order and meaning and keep themselves from flying apart. And what better way than through a powerful outside entity that is wiser, stronger, better, thus eliminating any need to question?

I had written a long post this morning that got eradicated. The only thing I remember from it is noting that your statement about "Whatever gets you through the night," sums it up very completely for me. I can't begrudge anyone his belief or her faith, but I am certainly aggravated by the dreadful inability to allow others the same option. When someone declares that he owns the truth, the only truth, there is no purpose in discussion, no where to go, no place to come together.

One of my favorite poems by Rumi (and I may have shared it before, but I really like it)

Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,
there is a field, I'll meet you there.

When the soul lies down in that grass,
the world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language , even the phrase each other
doesn't make any sense.