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To: Gregg Powers who wrote (18373)11/16/1998 10:54:00 AM
From: Mika Kukkanen  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 152472
 
Gregg: Where is the reference to needing Qcom's IPR? There is not!

We all have our theories, but there was no reference that Ericsson needing Qcom IPR (unless of course they enter the IS-95 world). It is fact that Qualcomm have stated that they will not license their IPR for anything but a converged (let's say cdma2000 centric) CDMA 3G system. Ericsson have stated they do not need Qcom IPR, but the rather b(B)old statement that Qcom have issued implies "ransom". In my history of telecom's this is unprecedented...the "contentious" point you were looking for?

In reality Ericy might need it, to make things easier, but then Qcom might need Ericy IPR. So this maybe an issue of cross licensing?

Regards,
Mika



To: Gregg Powers who wrote (18373)11/16/1998 1:12:00 PM
From: Raymond  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 152472
 
Gregg!
You are asking the Nokia ERICY camp "a straightforward
question, for the 1,093rd time"."please explain to me how it is possible to "blackmail" somebody by refusing to license them
something that they do not need".I think you know exactly what the problem is.Even if ERICY doesn't agree that QCOM:s patents are valid nobody can be sure before it's goes to court.If QCOM is saying to the world that they have essential IPR:s relating to WCDMA.Then I think it's very understandable if the operators will just sit down and wait until the legal stuff has cleared.
Could I ask you a question.If the European way of setting a standard
via ETSI and then implementing it around Europe is wrong and against
marketprinciples.How can then QCOM demand that a single standard
should be used around the whole world be good.Why isn't it better that
the different standards can compete and let the best standard win.
Pls don't come with that QCOM had no say in ETSI.They had the same
chances as every other company to come up with a proposal for UMTS.The interesting thing was that companies like Motorola,Nortel,Lucent(partly),Sony
supported the TDD proposal for UMTS.So the big CDMA vendors was against a CDMA solution for Europe.When they now speaks of convergence
it sounds really hollow.
I am not sure I am correct on this one but I think even QCOM was for
the TDD proposal.
There is a lot of talk here about the political influence Ericsson has
and that's was the reason why they won in ETSI.I can list some companies supporting the TDD standard.Siemens,Alcatel,Nortel,Lucent
Motorola,Italtel.That's the big equipment vendors of the major
European countries.The American companies owns big European companies
like Matra(Nortel).So the major vendors of France,Germany,Italy was
for another proposal.Against them stood Nokia and Ericsson.The nordic
governemnts are not at all like the French and the Italians.If you
ask the Swedish communicationminister what he thinks of the
3G debate I doubt that he has even heard of it so don't come with
that Nokia and Ericsson has heavy political backing.Finland and Sweden has one of the most liberal tradepolicies in the world.After joining the EU some of this tradepolicies has had to change for the worse but they are not activly supporting their companies in the same way as for example France does.The reason why they won in ETSI was that they had worked hardest with the operators to convince them that they have a superior standard.If we take which
companies that came out early and supported WCDMA we have Mannesman
and Europolitan.By the way both of them has Airtouch as a major shareholder.
Does anyone has a theory why the American CDMA vendors was for the TDD
proposal which is not CDMA.Was it because they thought it was a better standard? Or was
it that they thought the WCDMA standard was so good that it was a threat to their investment in IS-95? Another question is why didn't
they put forward the IS-95/2000 proposal in ETSI.I think it's really bad moral.After the loss of the TDD proposal in the first vote a facesaving compromise was reached which all voted for in ETSI.After
all that QCOM come back and say that they want another standard for
UMTS.I understand that Lucent and the rest are really quiet during
all this.They are probably embarrassed.
Another question.
techweb.com
"he only thing I can say is, if you asked me three months ago, the answer would have been
there was no movement whatsoever, now there is movement and progress," toward a
reconciliation, Jacobs reported, based in part on a meeting earlier this month in North
Carolina. "There's no major agreement, but there has definitely been progress. Exactly how or
whether it will work out, I don't know."

This is the first time I have read anything pointing to that some
agreement could be coming.Has anyone else any more info?.Does
this mean that the trial between ERICY and QCOM can be cancelled?
/R