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To: sea_biscuit who wrote (15126)	11/17/1998 10:17:00 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

Hey Dipy, You forgot to say what unit of the services you served in and when. I think I asked you this before.

To: sea_biscuit who wrote (15126)	11/18/1998 7:02:00 PM
From: pezz	Respond to of 67261

<<Sagan's solution>> Dipy, You know that nobody goes to jail for killing a chimpanzee. Personally I think when a sense of self or consciousness appears. But how does one determine that? pez

To: sea_biscuit who wrote (15126)	11/24/1998 9:17:00 PM
From: Peter O'Brien	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

An interesting analogy. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I've never associated the "pro-life" position with "animal-rights activists". I suppose Sagan's analogy wouldn't please pro-choice animal-rights activists either...

To: sea_biscuit who wrote (15126)	11/24/1998 9:32:00 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

>Sagan says that at various stages of fetal development, the human embryo's brain development would be equal to that of many of the "lower" animals, such as reptiles, birds, apes and so on. The longer the pregnancy has lasted, the more evolved the brain. Since this is a culture that is largely non-vegetarian and routinely kills "lower" animals like chicken, pig, cow and so on for food, Sagan says society can think in terms of allowing abortion as long as the fetus' brain development is at or below that of these animals....< The fallacy here is made clear when we note the arbitrary classification of unborn humans with animals on the mere basis of brain development. This arbitrary classification is fraught with problems, amongst the least of which is that it might allow for a ban on medical research using animals whose brains develop beyond that of an unborn second trimester child. What is that unit again?