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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (26012)	11/18/1998 9:51:00 AM
From: Craig Richards	Respond to of 108807

I have to admit that we are commanded to preach the gospel to all creation. Bob, Are you (not you personally, Bob, but whoever it is who is commanded to preach) commanded to learn the gospel first? It seems that would help quite a few who try to preach it without understanding love, humility and the other so-called Christian virtues. Otherwise it's putting the cart before the horse with disastrous results. And is the gospel best preached through words or actions? Craig

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (26012)	11/18/1998 10:39:00 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Bob, we are commanded to preach the gospel to all creation. That makes christianity a very "in your face" religion. Don't you feel that this violates the right of others to go about their lives without having people perpetually jumping in their faces to try and convert them? If we respect freedom of religion, shouldn't we also respect freedom from religion for those who desire it? I would say though that christianity is not the worst religion out there. How about Islam that teaches that to kill an infidel is a good deed? Islam is a relatively young religion, and is practiced today with a fervor that Christianity lost long ago. When Christianity was at the stage that Islam is at now, it was considered right, just, and eminently desirable to burn unbelievers, heretics, witches, and anybody else the local religious authorities happened to dislike. What about the benefits of christianity in our culture. Steve the historian should consider this. He has, as have many others. I particularly recommend Bertrand Russell's writings on the subject. I may, if I can find the time, concoct a separate post on the subject, on which much could be said. Rest assured that you won't like it. The catholic church turned into a cult and became a tyranny over the people trying to stomp out the true gospel of Jesus Christ, but the gospel prevailed. From this I conclude that you do not believe that Catholics represent true Christianity. Catholics would surely disagree. Which of the current multiplicity of "Christian" sects would you say DOES represent true Christianity? Episcopalians? Seventh-Day Adventists? Baptists? The lunatics at www.godhatesfags.com? All would claim that they are Christians, and that the others are not. How do we debate the merits of Christianity if even Christians can't agree on what a Christian is? The country most founded on christian principles, though not perfect, has been the most prosperous in history. Are you saying that God has made us wealthy as a reward for our adherence to Christian principles? How then do we explain Brunei, or Saudi Arabia? This is the only country in history that fought a bloody and costly war to end slavery! Return to school, do not pass go, do not collect $200. The Civil War was not fought over slavery; the common notion that it was is a testament to both our capacity for self-delusion and the execrable quality of our schools. Read a bit, and return. A hint: focus on tariff issues from 1840-1865. He did get them right. The whole world is in the first grade so God can't start with physics, He has to start with 2+2=4. It was for education. Please explain the putative educational value of the brutal and altogether despicable laws portrayed in the old testament. The rest of it involves scripture-slinging, which I am not good at. I will have to leave those points in Sam's hands. Steve

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (26012)	11/19/1998 3:04:00 AM
From: Krowbar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

<< Whew! That is a very intolerant post! >> It's Christians who are intolerant. Have you forgotten how many people Christians have slaughtered because they believed differently? << If you want the right to choose an abortion how can you deny freedom of religion and association? >> You are misquoting me, just as you did Hawkings. I have never said that I would deny the freedom of religion and association. I will never be coerced into prayer in a public event, however, and will make a scene every time that Christians attempt to do so. If you want to practice your religion, do it in your taxpayer subsidized church. << The country most founded on christian principles, though not perfect, has been the most prosperous in history. >> You're sounding like Rush again, and are just as wrong. Would you cite the "christian principals" that our country was founded on? << This is the only country in history that fought a bloody and costly war to end slavery! >> Against Bible thumping Christians who correctly quoted scripture to support the idea of slavery. Surely you know that your Bible gives you instructions on how to treat your slave. << "Confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved". >> After you profess that Zeus is lord of all gods. My interpretation of the above is "close your mind to logical thinking, and instead be driven by your fear of death, and you will believe anything I tell you." I have nothing to be saved from. I am content the way I am, while you spend all of your time chasing after the fantasy of eternal life. Del