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Technology Stocks : How high will Microsoft fly? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: cheryl williamson who wrote (12417)	11/20/1998 3:32:00 PM
From: rudedog	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74651

cheryl - You are drifting away from rational discussion again. I spent years working with SunOS and Solaris - those puppies have lots of holes too. Sun of course has its operating system heritage in the Berkeley version of Unix, as fielded by Bill Joy and Andy Bechtolsheim. This was essentially an academic project with no pretensions to any industrial strength OS heritage. To quote one of Sun's founders, Vinod Khosla , we could not design a product line that was as broad and varied as what Hewlett Packard or Digital Equipment could do. NT is the direct descendent of the operating systems which defined 'industrial strength', designed by the same guy who did VMS and RSX. Your claim that there is some magic that makes an OS based on a university project better than one designed from the ground up to do the big jobs is either deceptive or just ill-informed. Sun has had 15 years to refine their OS, starting from a base which was already 10 years old when Sun was founded. NT is not yet 5 years old. In another year or 2 it will have more capability and robustness than Solaris and will rival the best high-availability systems out there today. It is no accident that MSFT has done a deal to acquire Tandem NSK technology for NT - NSK has demonstrated availability more than 100 times better than Solaris. There are Tandem systems which have run without interruption for more than 18 years. 18 years without a second of downtime. Enjoy your Sun position while you can - my belief is that they are about to get their a$$ kicked.

To: cheryl williamson who wrote (12417)	11/20/1998 11:05:00 PM
From: Frederick Smart	Respond to of 74651

>>So did CSCO (issue a decree last year). It may have been at the request of M$FT who was talking to CSCO at the time. However, it was never implemented except as a print server for some of their printers. Why??? CSCO senior management was apparently ignored by the sys admins who wanted to stay with Unix. Those admins undoubtedly valued life outside of work and went with what worked.>> cheryl: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand conclusively that Cisco does not run ANY NT inside their shop. They've gone 100% LINUX. Check this out. It's a mind blowing hit from a Redmond tree stump on the back of the head considering they're supposed to be in bed with Microsoft AND the architect of Active DOMAINS......! Another giant sucking sound is out there ready to unbundle the Windows monopoly....the Dark Force pyramid. Open up and feel the force Bill......

To: cheryl williamson who wrote (12417)	11/20/1998 11:27:00 PM
From: Frederick Smart	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74651

>>M$FT is an apps company. They should stop trying to do something they are clearly not capable of doing and forget NT.>> cheryl: I say, by all means LET Microsoft try to do something they are clearly not capable of doing!!! Encourage them, exhort, support, put on barbeque picnics, give away balloons, make them feel loved. The poor slave developers deep inside Microsoft are working, not for a vision or lasting purpose, but just for a paycheck. The stock price is slowing down. The energy and drive is not there anymore. Ask anyone who worth their salt, knows their stuff who works for Microsoft. First off, I think you'll have a hard time locating these brave souls. Second, if you do find them, they are probably flying back from Tahiti on the value of their 5 year stock options. Got to get these trips in while the stock price is still high. The smart ones know future growth is AWAY from Windows. Windows will look more and more like VAX VMS as time goes on. Something that really sizzled when it was hot, but they either forgot to remove the meat from the burner, or the burner just got too hot. Rock, rock, rock, rock. Damn that Internet. Where do I want to go today?????? Hmmmmmm. "I not sure what you mean by that statement???" Why doesn't anyone respond to screams, whips, chains, balls and thunder anymore? Why is the world turning so whimpy, creative, open, loving, caring, sharing. I'm beginning to feel lost. Guess we better go sell more software to Japan, China, Russia, etc. They still get it over there!