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To: Darrin Vernier who wrote (22236)11/20/1998 8:54:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
Darrin;

How can you deny the following verses which are just a few that Jesus was in fact born and died on the cross. Also the one man asked Jesus to remember him and he answered he would be with him in paradise the other man their was no mention of the same...............

18: Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
19: Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
20: But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21: And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22: Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23: Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24: Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.


33: Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:
34: And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.


32: Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
33: But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
34: But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.


34: Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
35: And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.
36: And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar,
37: And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself.
38: And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
39: And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
40: But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
41: And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
42: And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43: And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

44: And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
45: And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.
46: And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.


Alan



To: Darrin Vernier who wrote (22236)11/20/1998 10:05:00 PM
From: PROLIFE  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
And yet you believe in death. Isn't this a paradox?

Not at all. What do you believe to be in all these graveyards around the country. It is our physical bodies, which die. Jesus the Christ also came as a child, and lived as a man for a time. With a physical body. You can reject that all you want, your problem. He also was hung on a cross(which as you know is very offensive to some because they do not care to understand it), but He conquered death. As I shall also, not because of anything I have acomplished, but because of His sacrifice, which satan did not recognize or he would have never allowed it to happen. Nor would you.

You believe that Jesus was in heaven, was put into the body of a man, came to Earth, then returned to Heaven. Jesus was the same in the beginning, and in the end. Did he die, or do you simply frame what you believe he was from your Adamic perspective of the body?

SEE "frame" below:

Phil 2: ( by Paul I might add )
5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death-- even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

How can you receive eternal life if you continue to believe that you are your body, and that you can be killed in an instant? If you remove that belief, you will see that you always had eternal life, but chose to believe in the body and death over it, and Jesus was the vessel of God that reminded you. Might it also be that a belief in Heaven as a delayed reward to come after much suffering is all that separates us from creating Hell, and seeing Heaven on Earth, as God promised?

I hope you are passing around some of what you are smokin.

Again my "frame"

28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny ? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father.
30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31 So don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.
32 "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven.
33 But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.

If I did according to the word of Darrin, that would read:" Dan acknowledges Dan before Dan, Dan will acknowledge Dan before Dan in Dandom"......etc. Sorry, NO GOOD.

To believe in his message is to believe in life, not death. LIFE is the New Testament.

This is a true enough statement. As I have told you. Without Jesus the Christ as the sacrifice, you have no life.

Might it be symbolic that man is indeed Christ, and needs to burn away and consume his belief in his own body, in an internal fire of Christos, or Christ? Isn't this the nature of letting "This little light of mine" burn as brightly as it can?

Here your mumbo jumbo begins again. The communion is a very clear statement.

23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread,
24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me."
25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."
26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

I am privileged to be able to take communion often, IN REMEMBRANCE OF JESUS. It keeps Jesus death and resurection on the front of my mind. NOT ME ON THE FRONT OF MY MIND.

What is someone called who is not of the middle ground, isn't he called an extremist?

Exactly, which is what Jesus was. He knew the middle ground to be "lukewarm" ground and not fit for the kingdom.

You wish to divide us all into the blessed, and the unblessed, the righteous and the wrong, where your Jesus would only see those as different stages toward the same truth, or looking upon the same thing from different directions

Wrong again. My "wish" as you put it, is not the point. It is God's wish that all be saved, and according to His word, that can happen. He will be the Judge, not me. Jesus was focused and knew His path, and did not stray from that path to "see other directions" as you put it.

Are you sure there is no standing upon the middle ground?

Rev. 3:
I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!
16 So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
17 You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.
18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.
19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent.
20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
21 To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.
22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."

Do you still choose the middle ground?

And no I do not hate you, or anything in you. I hate sin. Even when I sin I hate it. Thank God for the very real blood given for me.

dan