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To: David fisk who wrote (22645)11/26/1998 11:07:00 AM
From: Sidney Reilly  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 39621
 
David, David, David!

What a good one you came up with. Who said there is nothing new under the sun!! <gg> No disrespect to you, but consider a few things.

A friend of mine is in Youth With a Mission (YWAM). YWAM has a map of the world with all groups of people identified who have not heard the gospel. They are targeting them all. YWAM is only one of the christian organizations doing this. There are not enough peoples left who have not heard to even last to the end of this generation. We are in the generation who will actually see Jesus's prophecy fulfilled, then the end will come.

The beast system is here upon us. The New World Order (NWO) under the UN is here now and is moving forward to the mark of the beast as prophesied in Revelation. This is only a few years away at the most.

Israel has been brought back again as a nation for the second, final time. The politics surrounding Israel will bring the whole world against it very shortly as prophesied for the last days. I think what may do it is this, but it's not for certain. Iraq could strike Israel with chemical and biological weapons because of the ineptness of the Clinton administration and the UN. When this happens Israel will respond, probably with nuclear weapons, and completely destroy Iraq (as prophesied must happen). This act by Israel will bring the whole world against them out of fear. Israel will never give up their nuclear weapons, therefore an insoluble confrontation. This will happen soon, not in a thousand years.

The politics of the world now are ripe for the last days and the harvest. Jesus and Christianity are being discredited now. The deluding influence that will come upon the world in the last days is here now. Look around you. Is the world not deluded about God now as never before in history? Do people believe a lie now more than ever before about God and who we are, where we came from. Evolution is a recent theory that attempts to explain the existence of man without acknowledging God. There is no need to drag this out for another millennium, it would be far too long.

It is interesting though that your theory fits the time frame of the millennium we spend on earth with Jesus in His earthly kingdom after His second coming. Satan is bound then and locked in a smoking pit. Then satan is turned loose for a short time after a thousand years. A final battle. Satan and his angels are thrown into the lake of fire. Then the new Jerusalem comes down out of heaven. The earth itself passes away and we live in the new Jerusalem. That happens roughly at the 3,000 year mark so you may have something there about the 3,000 years time frame relating to the 3 days in the belly of the earth. It is at 3,000 years from Jesus's first coming that it is all finally finished. Something to think about.

Everyone have a great Thanksgiving,

Bob

PS Here is an interesting and informative post worth reading.

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To: David fisk who wrote (22645)11/26/1998 11:26:00 AM
From: O'Hara  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
><>...Good morning David, and HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL..><>

David, Christ here was responding to another challenge of the trouble-makers. The subject here was not His return but His identity.
Christ proved to them in His works and in His miracles ...over, and over, and over, again, and they still refused to believe. Here He tell them ...So you still want a sign, what an evil and adulterous generation.! Well you'll get your sign, But you still won't believe it and that is to your own condemnation!
Then He makes the ref. to Jonas.

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Remember David, this was a literal 3 days, and that is what Christ was making reference to. Christ then goes on to tell them that even Nineveh repented after Jonas began preaching. The sign of Jonas being flung from the whales belly was good enough for them!...But now, even even though Christ is so much greater than Jonas, and had done more powerful a work than Jonas has done...these guys still refuse to accept the truth...and still look for signs, what a bunch of evil jokesters!

Did not Christ give that sign, and in fact God did raise Him in 3 days? It already happened...In 3 days Just as He said! ..Literally...!

He also, during another confrontation,when they were again challenging His deity, He told them the same thing,and again that blind and evil generation did not get it! .
John 2:18-22
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up......(And He did, in 3 days!)
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

And this of course was again the same literal 3 days.
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No man knoweth the day or the hour,(This is a greek idiom which means the exact second).... but the wise knoweth the season.
We are in that season David.

Have a most bountiful Thanksgiving, you and your family
Shalom....><>




To: David fisk who wrote (22645)11/26/1998 2:27:00 PM
From: Sam Ferguson  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Story continued:

And yet another surprising correlation comes to view. The Christ, as it has here been delineated, is the offspring or creation of a conception of deific Mind, first in the inner bosom of spiritual matter, then in organic bodily structure. Primeval space, we have seen, was called in Egypt the NUN, or the Waters of the Nun. All Bible students recognize a familiar ring in the phrase "Joshua, Son of Nun." But so far has ignorance and obscurantism gone with its deadly work in Christian literalism that hardly
anyone knows with definiteness that Joshua is just a variant name for
Jesus. The phrase is actually written in some old documents as "Jesus, Son of Nun." At any rate Joshua is just Jesus, no less. So here is the Christ, called Jesus, son of the aboriginal space, or the NUN. But the wonder increases when we turn to the Hebrew alphabet and find that while "M" is called and spelled "Mem" and means "water," "N" is called and spelled "Nun" and means--of all things--"Fish"! Jesus, then, is son of Pisces, the Fish-sign, as he indeed is in the Gospels themselves.

And Horus, the Egyptian Christ, who is identical with the Jesus of the
Gospels in some one hundred and eighty particulars, performed at Anu a
great miracle. He raised his father Osiris from the dead, calling unto him in the cave to rise and come forth. Anu, as we have seen, became Bethany of the Gospels; and it was at Bethany that Jesus raised Lazarus from death! And who was Lazarus? Here the greatest of all the marvels in this chain of comparative data unfolds under our eyes. According to Budge and other eminent Egyptologists the ancient designation of Osiris was ASAR. But the Egyptians invariably expressed reverence for deity by prefixing the
definite article "the" to the names of their Gods. Just as Christians say, or should say, the Christ, they said: the Osiris. It will be found that the article connoted deity in ancient usage. Our definite article, "the" is the root of the Greek word theos, God; the Spanish article, masculine, "el," is the Hebrew word for God; and the Greek masculine article, "ho," is a Chinese word for deity.

To say the Osiris was equivalent to saying Lord Osiris. When the Hebrews took up the Egyptian phrases and names they converted the name of "the Osiris" or "Lord Osiris" directly into their own vernacular, and the result was "El-Asar." Later on the Romans, speaking Latin, took up the same material that had come down from revered Egyptian sources and to "El-Asar" they added the common Latin termination of the second declension masculine
nouns, in which most men's names ended, namely, "-us"; and the result was now "El-Asar-us." In time the initial "E" wore off, as the scholars phrase it, and the "s" in Asar changed into its sister letter "z," leaving us holding in our hands the Lazarus whom Jesus raised at Bethany! To evidence that this derivation is not a fanciful invention or sheer coincidence the Biblical names of High Priests may be cited. We find one with the name of El(e)azar and another by name Azar-iah, "iah" or "jah" being suffixes of
great deific connotation, matching "el." And so we are faced with the
irrefutable evidence of Comparative Religion that Jesus' raising of Lazarus at Bethany is but a rescript of the old Egyptian dramatic mystery in which Horus, the Christ, raised his "dead" father Osiris, or El-Asar-us from the grave. And the Egyptian recital was in the papyri perhaps 5000 years B.C.

Also at the Egyptian scene were present the two divine sisters, Isis and Nephthys. An old source-name for Isis was Meri, basic for the Latin mare, the sea. The Egyptian plural of Meri was Merti. In Latin feminine form this became Mertae. In Hebrew it resolved into what was rendered in English as Martha. So even in the ancient Egyptian transaction there were present the two Maries, or Mary and Martha, the sisters of Lazarus!

All this sets the stage for the crowning item in the correspondence. In the Gospel drama John the Baptist bears the character of the firstborn or natural man, coming first to prepare the ground or make straight the path for the advent of the spiritual man or Lord Christ. He would therefore stand as the son of the water-mother, Virgo, and under the astrological symbolism would be born at the autumn equinox, or in his mother's house. Onthe other side of the cycle of descent and resurrection Jesus, the Christos, would be the son of the fish-mother, and would be born in his mother's house, Pisces. These houses are six months apart astrologically.
The whole edifice of Gospel historicity trembles under the impact of the strange dramatic circumstance, given in Luke, that the annunciation to Mary of her impregnation by the Holy Ghost came when John the Baptist was six months in Elizabeth's womb.

The natural man, having covered the "six months" between his birth and the date of his quickening into spiritual status in the evolutionary cycle, was thus quickened, or leaped in his mother's womb, when the time for the birth, or advent, of the spiritual Christ had arrived. The water baptism was to be consummated with the fire baptism. And Justin Martyr adds an item left out of the Gospels, that at the baptism of Jesus by John, a fire was
kindled in the waters of the Jordan!

St. Paul declares that we come to birth spiritually only as we die
carnally, which means that the quantum of divine character in us grows in proportion as the quantum of raw nature declines. As the spiritual man, Jesus, son of Nun, the fish, increases, the natural man, John, son of Virgo, the Water, must decrease. Astrologically, as a constellation or star sinks below the horizon in the west, its opposite constellation would be rising in the east. As John, type of the natural first birth, went down, Jesus, type of the spiritual second birth, rose on the world. And, says John the Baptist: "I must decrease as he must increase"!