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To: limtex who wrote (18882)11/28/1998 12:19:00 PM
From: Drew Williams  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 152472
 
I do not want to get into any heavy duty France bashing (though of course, they often deserve it.)

Way back in the dark ages (you know, the sixties) one of my history professors talked about "personal comfort zones." This is the distance between two people when conversing. Too far apart, you don't get their full attention. Too close, high anxiety. Whether this zone is genetically hardwired or learned behavior he did not know.

The average German's comfort zone was farther out, the French zone was closer in. So, when the French were comfortable, the Germans got anxious, and when the Germans were comfortable, the French were not listening.

He used this to explain the nearly continuous wars between France and Germany during most of modern history.

All I remember from my one trip to France (summer, 1967) was a great train ride (far better than any American train I've ever been on) and crazy Parisian drivers (much worse than in any American city.)



To: limtex who wrote (18882)11/28/1998 4:42:00 PM
From: mmeggs  Respond to of 152472
 
Heavy duty OT. But funny.

With apologies and acknowledgements to P.J. O'Rourke:

"We're the bad-assest sons of bitches to ever jog in Reeboks. We're three-quarters grizzly bear and two-thirds car wreck and descended from a stock market crash on our mother's side. You take your Germany, France, and Spain, roll them all together and it wouldn't give us room to park our cars. We're teh big boys, Jack, the original, giant, economy-sized, new and improved butt kickers of all time. When we snort coke in Houston, people lose theri hats in Cap d'Antibes. And we've got an American Express card limit higher than your piss-ant metric numbers go."

We drink napalm to get our hearts started in the morning. A rape and a mugging are our way of saying 'Cheerio.' Hell cant' hold our sock-hops. We walk taller, talk louder, spit farther, fuck longer, and buy more things than you know the names of. I'd rather be a junkie in a New York City jail than king, queen, and jack of all you Europeans. We eat little countries (ed note: Libya) like this for breakfast and shit them out before lunch.

We think life is a John Wayne movie -- with good guys and bad guys, as simple as that. And let me tell you who those bad guys are. They're us. WE BE BAD."

God bless America.

mmeggs



To: limtex who wrote (18882)11/28/1998 5:06:00 PM
From: straight life  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 152472
 
O.T. 2. Other than that the US has not colonized anyone. The Phillipines had been taken by the Spanish but even after the US got involved I don't think that someone say from Cyprus or Kenya wold recognize that as the same kind of colonization that Eoka or Mao Mao fought the British to remove or that the Vietnamese fought the French..." (...and Americans!) "...to remove. "

Oh boy... suffice it to say that I've driven, taken buses and hitch-hiked around the world, been to Iran, seen the Shah's police in action...and read history; you've got red, white and blue stars in your eyes, friend.

Your rationalization about how we imprisoned the Nisei because we were "fighting for your lives' is pure bunk, as it was very early decided in Washington that Germany would be the first focus of the allied war effort as it was by far the most serious threat. Yet there was no imprisonment of German-Americans.

Enough said.



To: limtex who wrote (18882)11/28/1998 6:35:00 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 152472
 
Limtex, Kings always thinks their subjects love them. After watching a few beheadings, the subjects know to smile as the King walks by. Even if he isn't wearing any clothes. Being very careful not to laugh in that instance.

Colonisation isn't necessarily a bad thing. It usually means the colonizing people are superior. I know it's unfashionable to talk about superior cultures or people, but I think the USA culture is superior to that of the Indians for example, who planned to revert to stone age ways to kill a few whales. Same for Maoris who lived with war and stone age brutal lives. Which is not to say there isn't plenty of brutal going on right now in the colonizing cultures.

I'm in favour of aspects of the USA colonizing the world and it is in the process of doing so. Well under way too. For example, the US$ has colonized vast tracts of the world's economy. Iraq is learning about USA international rules [not really UN rules]. Libya too. The United Nations marches to the USA tune, more or less.

Technology from the USA is also colonizing the world. For example, QUALCOMM and Globalstar are derived from USA companies, though the staff include many colonials from other countries who are now in the employ of QUALCOMM. QUALCOMM uses my capital, so the USA is colonizing the capital markets. That's because the SEC and USA laws protect investors much better than the rotten kleptocracies in many countries.

There are Big Macs available around the world. Coca Cola and Fords. The globalisation trend is to a great extent derived from the USA.

Whining nationalists who are losing power over their captive citizens don't like it. Bad luck for them. I don't like being in thrall to local kleptocrats.

But don't think this is a one way street. Colonisation of a country is a bit like grabbing a tar baby. You become one with it. It changes you. A bit like Britain colonized India and was changed by it.

The USA colonized Japan, gave it a USA constitution, USA military bases which are still there, baseball, Big Macs and a lot more. I know Japan initiated war, but the fact is they were colonized. The USA attempted to colonize Vietnam, with NZ's help, but failed. As you say, the warring tribes of North America were colonized by British immigrants.

Colonisation is not all bad you know. Africa hasn't been anything great since they threw off the yoke of the evil British. Idi Amin put paid to a horde of his countrymen. That didn't happen when the British were in charge.

Roll on colonisation of the world by QUALCOMM, WirelessKnowledge, Leap Wireless International, cdmaOne, cdma2000.

And colonisation of the USA by we aliens. Ramsey has already moved in! Taking over QUALCOMM too.

Mqurice