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To: Zeev Hed who wrote (22725)11/28/1998 5:36:00 PM
From: Ahda  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 39621
 
I have question for both of you if there was one religion better than the other why do we have so mny people living exactly the same kind of lives? Secondly when you study theology all are based on the same premise good will to man. So how can any religion be proved right.Or is the jest of this all that God decided he would put man in hell each other trying to figure out which was Gods choice.



To: Zeev Hed who wrote (22725)11/28/1998 5:37:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine  Respond to of 39621
 
CHAPTER XXV --- Justin Martyr 150 A.D.

The Jews Boast in Vain That They are Sons of Abraham.

"Those who justify themselves, and say they are sons of Abraham, shall be desirous even in a small
degree to receive the inheritance along with you;(6) as the Holy Spirit, by the mouth of Isaiah, cries,
speaking thus while he personates them: 'Return from heaven, and behold from the habitation of Thy
holiness and glory. Where is Thy zeal and strength? Where is the multitude of Thy mercy? for Thou
hast sustained us, O Lord. For Thou art our Father, because Abraham is ignorant of us, and Israel
has not recognised us. But Thou, O Lord, our Father, deliver us: from the beginning Thy name is
upon us. O Lord, why hast Thou made us to err from Thy way? and hardened our hearts, so that we
do not fear Thee? Return for Thy servants' sake, the tribes of Thine inheritance, that we may inherit
for a little Thy holy mountain. We were as from the beginning, when Thou didst not bear rule over us,
and when Thy name was not called upon us. If Thou wilt open the heavens, trembling shall seize the
mountains before Thee: and they shall be melted, as wax melts before the fire; and fire shah consume
the adversaries, and Thy name shall be manifest among the adversaries; the nations shall be put into
disorder before Thy face. When Thou shall do glorious things, trembling shall seize the mountains
before Thee. From the beginning we have not heard, nor have our eyes seen a God besides Thee:
and Thy works,(1) the mercy which Thou shall show to those who repent. He shall meet those who
do righteousness, and they shall remember Thy ways. Behold, Thou art wroth, and we were sinning.
Therefore we have erred and become all unclean, and all our righteousness is as the rags of a woman
set apart: and we have faded away like leaves by reason of our iniquities; thus the wind will take us
away. And there is none that calleth upon Thy name, or remembers to take hold of Thee; for Thou
hast turned away Thy face from us, and hast given us up on account of our sins. And now return, O
Lord, for we are all Thy people. The city of Thy holiness has become desolate. Zion has become as
a wilderness, Jerusalem a curse; the house, our holiness, and the glory which our fathers blessed, has
been burned with fire; and all the glorious nations(2) have fallen along with it. And in addition to these
[misfortunes], O Lord, Thou hast refrained Thyself, and art silent, and hast humbled us very
much.'"(Isaiah 64:3-12)
And Trypho remarked, "What is this you say? that none of us shall inherit anything on the holy
mountain of God?"



To: Zeev Hed who wrote (22725)11/28/1998 5:42:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
CHAPTER CXX

Christians Were Promised to Isaac, Jacob, and Judah.

"Observe, too, how the same promises are made to Isaac and to Jacob. For thus He speaks to
Isaac: 'And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.'(4) And to Jacob: 'And in thee and
in thy seed shall all families of the earth be blessed.'(5) He says that neither to Esau nor to Reuben,
nor to any other; only to those of whom the Christ should arise, according to the dispensation,
through the Virgin Mary. But if you would consider the blessing of Judah, you would perceive what I
say. For the seed is divided from Jacob, and comes down through Judah, and Phares, and Jesse, and
David. And this was a symbol of the fact that some of your nation would be found children of
Abraham, and found, too, in the lot of Christ; but that others, who are indeed children of Abraham,
would be like the sand on the sea-shore, barren and fruitless, much in quantity, and without number
indeed, but bearing no fruit whatever, and only drinking the water of the sea. And a vast multitude in
your nation are convicted of being of this kind, imbibing doctrines of bitterness and godlessness, but
spurning the word of God. He speaks therefore in the passage relating to Judah: 'A prince shall not
fail from Judah, nor a ruler from his thighs, till that which is laid up for him come; and He shall be the
expectation of the nations.'(6) And it is plain that this was spoken not of Judah, but of Christ. For all
we out of all nations do expect not Judah, but Jesus, who led your fathers out of Egypt. For the
prophecy referred even to the advent of Christ: 'Till He come for whom this is laid up, and He shall
be the expectation of nations.' Jesus came, therefore, as we have shown at length, and is expected
again to appear above the clouds; whose name you profane, and labour hard to get it profaned over
all the earth. It were possible for me, sirs," I continued, "to contend against you about the reading
which you so interpret, saying it is written, 'Till the things laid up for Him come;' though the Seventy
have not so explained it, but thus, 'Till He comes for whom this is laid up.' But since what follows
indicates that the reference is to Christ (for it is, 'and He shall be the expectation of nations'), I do not
proceed to have a mere verbal controversy with you, as I have not attempted to establish proof
about Christ from the passages of Scripture which are not admitted by you? which I quoted from the
words of Jeremiah the prophet, and Esdras, and David; but from those which are even now admitted
by you, which had your teachers comprehended, be well assured they would have deleted them, as
they did those about the death of Isaiah, whom you sawed asunder with a wooden saw. And this
was a mysterious type of Christ being about to cut your nation in two, and to raise those worthy of
the honour to the everlasting kingdom along with the holy patriarchs and prophets; but He has said
that He will send others to the condemnation of the unquenchable fire along with similar disobedient
and impenitent men from all the nations. 'For they shall come,' He said, 'from the west and from the
east, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven; but the
children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness.'(8) And I have mentioned these things,
taking nothing whatever into consideration, except the speaking of the truth, and refusing to be
coerced by any one, even though I should be forthwith torn in pieces by you. For I gave no thought
to any of my people, that is, the Samaritans, when I had a communication in writing with Caesar,(1)
but stated that they were wrong in trusting to the magician Simon of their own nation, who, they say,
is God above all power, and authority, and might."

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