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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (82743)	11/29/1998 2:23:00 PM
From: rudedog	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 176387

Michelle - NT has a few weaknesses right now that could be exploited if the unix people were on their toes Intel is working behind the scenes (and increasingly, in public) to make linux a viable alternative to NT, especially for 'appliance' servers. Intel quietly developed a hardware framework for this initiative along with a software specification, and Dell was one of their key partners in this effort. Dell has distanced themselves somewhat from MSFT in support of Intel on this issue. I expect some products in this category out of Dell, maybe in 2Q99. Sun will only be hurt by Linux, since every Linux user is a lost Solaris user. Linux currently runs on a variety of platforms - Intel based systems are of course the mainstream but there has been big interest in Alpha in the Linux community and prior to their acquisition by CPQ, DEC provided a lot of support for that. Sun is in a difficult position here, since they want to advocate their status as the 'counter-culture', open company, yet to do so will cut into one of their most profitable businesses. The player to watch here is Intel. They want to drive demand for their chips, and the more OS versions which run on their hardware the better. They already have HP in the bag because of the Merced joint development, have moved IBM to an accommodation position and plan to do more, and have at least superficial support from Sun. Sun will try and get Solaris to be the 64 bit Unix of choice on Merced-generation products, but HP also has plans there. I(n the meantime, Merced / McKinley slips farther into the future, and Intel's 32 bit game heats up. This is an area where I think Dell has placed some nice bets - they are building on their partnership with Intel in a way that does not directly confront Microsoft, but that will become a tricky balancing act next year if Dell appears to be driving non-MSFT OS server products.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (82743)	11/29/1998 4:19:00 PM
From: Sonki	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 176387

MH, last time I posted re: sunw on this thread it was 62ish. now80. NT, solaris, linux.. for the purpose of internet it does not matter... internet will have it's own language and HW/OS below it will be transparent to users and developers . btw: Sunw is a big supporter of linux and it can not harm solaris (os that is light years ahead). enjoying the ride... atleast for now.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (82743)	12/1/1998 7:52:00 AM
From: Mike Milde	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 176387

Michelle, Sun's "Internet activities" are not "primarily Java"! LOL Sun's slogan for decades has been "the network is the computer". Michelle, what type of hardware and software was the Internet built on? Hint: Microsoft didn't even have a TCP/IP stack in Windows until a few short years ago. Sun definitely makes money in the form of hardware sales as the Internet grows. You guys have completely lost perception if you think Java is Sun's primary contribution to the Internet. Mike