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To: epicure who wrote (26485)	12/5/1998 12:15:00 AM
From: Hubert Few	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Well, I can see your point, and I can see his. One point missed however is the Boy Scouts were formed as a means to filling the ranks of the military with suitable "obedient" members. Not to mistake, my nine year old son is in cub scouts, his mother is a den leader, and I, am a willing conspirator on weekend camping trips...within the following limits, I find it acceptable. 1) No pressure is put on my son to participate in anything, religious or otherwise. Likewise, I have told him I will take him to any church of his choosing. 2) I have to make strenuous efforts to avoid conflict with certain of the "deviant" parents who flock to organizations such as this. The same kind of power hungry ogre who will hassle you over a transaction in their duties as clerk of a convenience store, will rise to the top and become an absolute tyrant in scouting. 3) Above all else I am trying to instill in my son the seemingly contradictory values of self-discipline, and free thinking, and scouting does not do a great deal to encourage either one. As an organization they are crippled by some of the same liabilities as any other business....it's become a sort of watered down surrogate for "values". It is a joke within their leadership ranks that BSA stands for "Baby Sitters of America". More testimony to the general level of sorry-ass parenting that has become the norm in this country.

To: epicure who wrote (26485)	12/5/1998 1:47:00 AM
From: Krowbar	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

<< Well that is one person's opinion. >> My post was filled with facts not opinion. BSA was chartered by Congress in 1916. There was no religious test until 1970. It enjoys public sponsorship and uses public facilities. Public schools and teachers are used for recruiting. Those are facts, not opinions. << I have to wonder about a parent who wouldn't sign the paper, a parent who would make his kid cry 'cause he couldn't even allow for the possibility of a higher power?- me I didn't even read the paper >> How about the Boy Scouts allowing for the possibility that there isn't a god. There is no evidence of one. Your signing of the paper anyway is not a very good example of honesty, is it? Aren't courage and honesty one of the main things that BSA is supposed to instill in the boy? What bothers me even more is that you are defending the ones doing the discriminating, and chastising those who are trying to put a stop to it. Del