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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (26503)	12/5/1998 8:57:00 PM
From: Craig Richards	Respond to of 108807

I think that homosexuals are very self-destructive personalities for the most part, and it has less to do with sex than it does with a personality that has totally gone haywire. Bob, I'm curious what your opinions are based on. By the way, have you ever considered that messages such as yours, messages that say that a certain group of persons are disturbed, evil and/or vile, could contribute to personality problems? Maybe if more so-called Christians practiced love instead of hate and judgement of others, there would be less homosexuals (and heterosexuals, too) with personality problems. Craig

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (26503)	12/5/1998 9:34:00 PM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Re: self-destructive persons I don't know whether he was homosexual or not, as some say, but Jesus was a very self-destructive person. His vandalism in the Temple grounds, his taunting of the High Priest and Pontius Pilate were just asking for trouble, and he claimed to have foreseen the results. It seems to me that any mentally healthy person would have avoided pushing things to the point he did.

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (26503)	12/6/1998 2:19:00 AM
From: Krowbar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

<< Your right not to pray in school takes away my child's right to pray in school. So how can one be right and another not? >> This is nothing more than the continuing misrepresentation, by some Christians, of the prayer issue. Your child's right to pray was never taken away. What was stopped was coerced prayer by the teachers and others in authority. You, or anyone else, can pray anytime that you want to, silently, as your Jesus instructed you to. This is nothing more than grandstanding to do it out loud, and wanting to force others to do so also. "Thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men... "But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret." - Matt. 6:5-6 You are not, and cannot be forced "not to pray", silently as your Jesus instructed. Don't you think that he is right? Del

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (26503)	12/6/1998 6:39:00 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Thread, Just noticed that 5 posts from Del are followed by 6 from me, which is unusual. Wish to reassure all that this is not an organized coup by the forces of secular humanism, aimed at effecting a final solution to long running disputes. We probably won't do it again. Steve

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (26503)	12/6/1998 5:28:00 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

<<Your right not to pray in school takes away my child's right to pray in school.>> What you're incensed about, Bob, is the loss of your right to the assertion of primacy represented by your religion, your Jesus, being touted to all and sundry in school, including to me, personally, to my emotional detriment. Because it is a simple misstatement of fact that your children can't pray in school. They can. And mine can meditate, or think about a good deed to do after school, or about fudge, or about anything they want to. There is plenty of down-time in a school day. How about study hall? How about when your child gets to class early, she sits and prays? In fact, let all the Christian children pray in their down time, I say, instead of getting up to all sorts of horrid behavior toward your daughter and other children. Is it atheists being mean to your daughter? It would surprise me if the answer was yes. The four loveliest, kindest, and (among the) smartest children in my son's 4th grade class were my son (of course!), two (atheist) boys who were his friends (and came to his wedding!), and the lovely little girl who is now my daughter-in-law, who was Catholic at the time, but grew up. What's happened is that your delegates just can't force their prayers down my child's throat they way you deep down feel is right that they should be able to. Under your dispensation, Bob, how long would a public school teacher last who took a few minutes each morning to read from John Stuart Mill or other atheist text? You write: <<A child of atheist parents may have to listen to a prayer, but has to grant the right for the christian to pray. Fair enough?>> Let's turn it around and see how it strikes you: "A child of Christian parents may have to listen to some rationalist, secular critiques of religious thought and history, but has to grant the right for the atheist to explain to the children that there ain't nobody home but us humans. Fair enough?" It is amazing how thoroughly agenda determines opinion on some matters.

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (26503)	12/6/1998 9:56:00 PM
From: E	Respond to of 108807

Bob, you never replied to this message of mine in which I wondered if you felt what was sauce for the goose (Christians) was sauce for the gander (atheists.): You write: <<A child of atheist parents may have to listen to a prayer, but has to grant the right for the christian to pray. Fair enough?>> Let's turn it around and see how it strikes you: "A child of Christian parents may have to listen to some rationalist, secular critiques of religious thought and history, but has to grant the right for the atheist to explain to the children that there ain't nobody home but us humans. Fair enough?" ------------------------------------------------------------------ I've already gotten some good quotes to serve as epigraphs for my atheist sermons-- you see how I assume you and your fellow Christians will agree to have your children exposed to my religious notions if I agree to have mine exposed to yours?! ~~The religion of one age is the literary entertainment of the next. Ralph Waldo Emerson ~~Religions impose their dogmas, bend conscience under their laws, deny freedom of discussion and of judgment to their clients, and, in the name of God, proscribe all thought which they do not control, all liberty except the liberty to bow down and believe. Louis Jacolliot ~~The Old Testament, as everyone who has looked into it is aware, drips with blood; there is, indeed, no more bloody chronicle in all the literature of the world. Henry L. Mencken ~~The truth is that Christian theology, like every other theology, is not only opposed to the scientific spirit, it is also opposed to all attempts at rational thinking. Henry L. Mencken ~~There was a time when religion ruled the world. It is known as the Dark Ages. Ruth H. Green ~~If man had created man, he would be ashamed of his performance. Mark Twain ~~The density of matter in the Universe is only 20 drops of water in a billion cubic miles. That's all the creation the good Lord's come up with, and it's no big thing. John Dobson, Astronomer ~~The world is my country, to do good my religion. Thomas Paine (and this next one is hilarious)-- ~~A one-planet deity has for me little appeal. Harlow Shipley