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To: Knighty Tin who wrote (17286)	12/10/1998 10:44:00 AM
From: Zeev Hed	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 18056

Mike, I do not want to sound like a defender of Clinton, I am more interested in a strong "President Office" institution and would like to reserve the disruptive impeachment process for the crooks, not everyone that lies when asked "When was the last time you beat your wife" (VBG)". I have a high regard for the "will of the people", even though it is manipulated on a grand scale, it is the best thing we have. The people knew exactly what Clinton was about when they called him back in in 1996, it was about "the economy stupid" not high morals. Zeev

To: Knighty Tin who wrote (17286)	12/10/1998 11:53:00 AM
From: Bosco	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 18056

G'day all - dear Mike, Newt's downfall is that he failed to deliver. If it is b/c he made the mistake of entering the impeachment fray, then it is his price to pay to miscalculate his move [actually, on PBS Newshour, Mr Gigot of WSJ [IMHO, one cannot find a more typical partisan] explained that Newt couldn't help it. Come to think about it, there is a lot of credence about it. His behaviour is rather consistent, it is people's perception of him. His strength as the instigator before his speakership against the then Speaker Jim Wright is his weakness when he assumed the speaker post. Regarding President Clinton, I don't know who is more guilty. However, this whole episode reminds me of the Unamerican Committee back in the 50s. A lot of innocent people were destroyed. Academics were being blacklisted. Some of them died in poor health and poverty [no job, no health insurance!] So, in that respect, maybe President Nixon's downfall is a matter of instant karma <sad grin>. The funny thing is that Mr Roy Cohn had remained a power until his final year. So, one has to question the apparent righteousness of the time and see if relentless pursuit regardless of consequences make sense. best, Bosco