Hi Donald,
Many people are quick to claim God's promises to Israel but are unwilling to own their persecution. They see themselves as spiritual Israel but fail to understand the relevance of Israel as an unbelieving nation being regathered in Israel and Jerusalem.
With that in mind Donald, do the following verses say what they say?
John 4:
7 When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, "Will you give me a drink?"
8 (His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)
9 The Samaritan woman said to him, "You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?" (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.)
10 Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water."
11 "Sir," the woman said, "you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water?
12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his flocks and herds?"
13 Jesus answered, "Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again,
14 but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life."
15 The woman said to him, "Sir, give me this water so that I won't get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water."
16 He told her, "Go, call your husband and come back."
17 "I have no husband," she replied. Jesus said to her, "You are right when you say you have no husband.
18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true."
19 "Sir," the woman said, "I can see that you are a prophet.
20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem."
21 Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.
23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."
25 The woman said, "I know that Messiah" (called Christ) "is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us."
26 Then Jesus declared, "I who speak to you am he."
I highlighted a few things and would you care to discuss them I would like to hear. To me this conversation with the woman is changing the old to the new as evidenced by His saying"a time is coming...and has now come.... From worshipping in Jerusalem to worshipping in Spirit. Wouldn't that be correct? And Jesus speaking about the "gift of God" in this same context. What is the gift? Is it not living water? Is Christ the "living water" ?
And as far as claiming "Israels promises" , here is what is said.
Eph. 1:
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.
4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love
5 he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will--
6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.
The Church at Ephesus IMO contained both Jews and Gentiles, because in other places he says that he taught at the Synagogue and at the hall of Tyrannus(Acts 19:8-9) and the silversmith that made idols fought against him, so he I believe he was winning converts. Anyway my point here being that "adoption" gives the Christian full rights as heirs. Do I know this?
26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,
27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Again, Paul here is speaking to whom in this Galatian letter passage?
Gal 1:2 says:To the churches in Galatia
which Paul preached as recorded in Acts 16, and 18.
So for a minute let me assume I am a member of one of the churches in Galatia. Do I now see that I AM an adopted heir with full rights, NOW my question is this? Do I have the spiritual promise made AND I still have to wait (as an adopted son) for physical Jerusalem to be restored?
I have more questions, but I will let you take your time and answer me these. Please others jump in and speak here too , But NO NO NO CONDEMNATION!!!! Please.
Also please don't just say "read Jer. so and so and tell me when this happened. I cannot. Lets just use my scriptures so I can track what I have said and what your reply is.
God Bless
dan
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