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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (26957)	12/13/1998 4:57:00 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

>And then again I ask, where did the spirit come from? It's all too much to believe. < Where is this spirit? Have you seen it? Weighed it? Measured it? Do you believe in it based upon anecdotal evidence? Why then extra-terrestrials should be believed in too- there is lots of anecdotal evidence that they exist. You are so irrational it is mind boggling- yet you think your arguments make sense. It is amazing to watch. I thank you for the sheer entertainment of the spectacle that is you. And who has said we are "spirit beings"? OF course plenty of people who do not believe in Christianity are just as irrational as Christians. Atheists for example, have an irrational unprovable belief- but at least they are asserting a negative instead of a positive- points for that to you, Del. Lots of people believe in "lucky" objects- extremely irrational but very common. The same argument about the commonality of experience could be used to prove all sorts of ridiculous things- mass hysteria for example. But please, keep those posts coming.

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (26957)	12/13/1998 6:37:00 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Bob, you missed the point. Accepting the truth of the set of myths about the world and the origin of life-- myths in which Jesus is a rather late participant-- requires that the believer violate the same standards of rational judgment as between truth and unlikelihood that he otherwise employs in the conduct of everyday life. You are ill-advised to rest your claims for a spiritual "body" on the evidence of out of body experience, I'm sorry to say. This is one of those psychic claims that is subject to a very straightforward empirical test, ie, can the person who claims to be able to circulate in a spirit form accurately describe events or features of the landscapes he claims to be traversing. The results of these tests are uniformly negative. Out of body experiencers have even been unable to rise as high as a shelf set on the wall of the room in which these tests are being performed and report back what numbers are being shown on the shelf (by a random number generator.) There is a widely accepted physiological/psychological explanation for both these "out of body" experiences and the related near-death experience. Susan Blackmore, a parapsychologist who began her researches very much convinced of the reality of these two kinds of phenomena, reached, after much experimentation, the disappointing-to-her conclusion that they are explicable in rather mundane scientific terms having to do with anoxia and certain artifacts of nervous system function. Bob, if you genuinely find the idea that an invisible, intangible Being produced life on earth more plausible than an evolutionary process based on natural selection, that is certainly your right, and I hope you take comfort and joy from this conviction. [this post is from N] P.S. <<When faced with the question how did such a highly ordered universe happen by chance Steven Hawking says it's mathematically impossible!>> I believe this is apocryphal. If it isn't, I'd be very interested to read the comments. Can you tell me where this remark is made by Hawkings? E

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (26957)	12/15/1998 1:30:00 AM
From: Krowbar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Bob, There you go misquoting Hawkings again. I asked you to show me where he said that it was mathematically impossible that a highly ordered universe happen by chance, and you didn't so I assume it was a quote that you manufactured. << Also there is no evidence that any beneficial naturally occurring mutation has ever happened. >> I am sure that most biologists would be astounded by your comment. It only shows your ignorance. Why don't you talk about something that you at least have a basic grasp of. Bacteria mutate resistance to drugs, and moths who have mutated wing colorations that blend into city brick backgrounds are 2 easy examples that are observed in living organisms during human lifetimes. Evolution has had millions of years. What are your thoughts on the post that I did on the recent ape man discovery? Will you allow your children to hear about it? Del