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To: Zeuspaul who wrote (4249)	12/14/1998 11:16:00 PM
From: pae	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 14778

Java Question: I'd like to run the Island gritch Java client ... but I would prefer to NOT load the SUN Java Plugin. My thinking is that the MS code would be less likely to impact stability. But I'm having trouble locating the piece of MS code to make the Sun Plugin unnecessary. Help?! I think I installed the MS Java Virtual Machine, but I don't see it on the add/remove programs list. (I know I ran the self-extracter, but...) Thanks. If necessary I will use the Sun stuff, but I KNOW it is unstable AND piggish. Perhaps I should post the query on the Island thread. Paul

To: Zeuspaul who wrote (4249)	12/15/1998 12:27:00 AM
From: Sean W. Smith	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 14778

Boot Managers vs Clarence's Machine. IMO boot managers are good for managing multiple operating systems. I understand the Clarence Machine to be a single OS NT based machine. I would design the NT install with that in mind and would not consider complicating the NT install with the NT pseudo boot manager or a third party boot manager. I think it really simplies the whole procedure rather than complicate it. Don't knock till you tried it. Considerations First Spots point is well taken. I agree the best way to install DOS without putting NT in jeopardy is to pull the plug on NT. I don't think there is a need to swap cables. If the second harddrive is on the slave channel it will be seen as the C drive as long as there are no other harddives attached to the controller. The bios would have to be set to boot the secondary drive....oops, pae indicated the ABIT BH6 Award bios can not boot floppy and slave IDE...if this is the case with the ASUS or AOPEN? one would have to swap cables for the install. The AMI bios on my IWILL mobo provides this option. The AMI bioses that I have investigated have more boot flexibility than the Award bioses I have seen. I personally would not even complicate it that much. Create a C big enough for dos and utilities. Say 20M. Put the rest on D: NTFS and use PQ BM to boot between DOS or OS/2. He could even do: DOS C: 20 M NTFS D: Gigs NTFS E: 200 M. Second install of NT for Native access to NTFS NTFS is a must IMO. Next point. What DOS do you want to use? As Sean indicated Win95/98 DOS is REAL DOS. The reference was to NT DOS not being REAL DOS. Dave's PQ DOS suggestion may be a good option too. If it works it would be the least expensive as it is available in the PQ package. Maybe it is as simple as copying the PQ rescue floppy to a harddrive that has been formatted using Partition Magic as that is what you have available? The PQ DOS is not really even a choice. The PQ boot diskette only includes command interpreter and MSCDEX. Its missing FDISK, FORMAT, XCOPY, etc. Its basically just a boot with command interpter. I would probably just do a minimal 95 install instead of buying DOS. There is no reason to unplug any hard disks. I have created systems like this countless time and with OS/2 BM and a good fdisk program there are no issues. Overwriting stuff is not a problem if you know what your doing. The end result will be an NT machine with a DOS/Win KOT Considerations If you format the Win98/DOS drive FAT32 you will not be able to see it in NT. This could be an advantage if you end up with two partitions on the NT drive and want to preserve the NT drive letters as C then D. (I know you can map drives in NT but prefer defaults if reasonable) JMHO Sounds good to me. Skip FAT32. You have BM for day to day application and can use the BIOS in case the main Physical Disk fails if you have 2 drives. Sean

To: Zeuspaul who wrote (4249)	12/15/1998 1:16:00 AM
From: Clarence Dodge	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14778

ZP I agree the best way to install DOS without putting NT in jeopardy is to pull the plug on NT. Yes, i'm most comfortable with the safest way...not ready for fancy footwork... Award bios can not boot floppy and slave IDE...if this is the case with the ASUS or AOPEN? one would have to swap cables for the install. I'll check on Aopen site for slave boot capability but swapping cables seems safe too... PQ DOS I've been meaning to call PQ and will in the AM. I'll ask about their version DOS. I was more or less set on MS DOS but your points about drivers and GUI for w98 are well taken.I neglected to really consider the advantages ( for me,especially) of using PM in a GUI even without their Dos stuff. Have you indicated the format for the NT installation? NT installed on the primary channel master position in first of 2 partitions formated NTFS. And I do plan to utilize NTFSDOS. It's OK for NTFSdos to reside with w98 or msdos on the other drive? two partitions on the NT drive and want to preserve the NT drive letters as C then D. Yes 2 partitions called c and d would be clear if they remained as such. I assumed W98 could only be formated in FAT16 or 32.... no?. Excellent post ZP Thanks Clarence

To: Zeuspaul who wrote (4249)	12/15/1998 9:56:00 AM
From: Clarence Dodge	Respond to of 14778

Sean and ZP After reviewing your most recent exchanges I think it best for me to switch MS DOS to w95 and stick with the booting from BIOS plan. This is based on the relative simplicity of working from BIOS. I certainly will have PM BM in the back of my mind and will be on the lookout for future discussions here on its merits relative to non-BM methods. Still unsure whether FAT 16 or 32 was the agreed upon best format for w95 partition on my secondary drive? Edit: Sean just read your last post... I'll specify Fat 16 for w95 partition on #2 drive