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Politics : Clinton's Scandals: Is this corruption the worst ever? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: James Strauss who wrote (9371)	12/14/1998 11:08:00 PM
From: Catfish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

James: If Clinton lied to a grand jury, it is an impeachable offense. Btw, go back and read post #9362 and #9363 in its entirety.

To: James Strauss who wrote (9371)	12/14/1998 11:41:00 PM
From: Les H	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

cftech.com The above web site contains "Constitutional Grounds for Presidential Impeachment" which I believe was a study prepared for the Watergate Impeachment Inquiry. It shows that the impeachment grounds were pretty wide open. Hillary may have worked on the study while on the staff. The process now is pretty much as partisan as Watergate was.

To: James Strauss who wrote (9371)	12/15/1998 4:19:00 AM
From: Zoltan!	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

>>If Clinton lied to a Grand Jury it's a matter for the Criminal Courts No, it puts it where it is, before Congress. The Courts get their crack at Clinton later. >>The materiality of the lie, if it was a lie, doesn't rise to the level of Impeachment... One lie? Clinton has lied so often there are so many - some of which are indeed material. >> Overturning the results of an election is tantamount to engineering a Coup by the opposing party... Think for once. If the election results were overturned then Gore would not stand as successor. However, the extremist Dems did exactly what you falsely accuse the current Reps of doing, fomenting a coup: they forced the resignation of Nixon and the installation of an unelected President. The extremist, partisan Dems were and are not concerned at that precedent. Maybe illegal fundraiser Gore should be removed just for the sake of justice and political symmetry.

To: James Strauss who wrote (9371)	12/15/1998 4:56:00 AM
From: Zoltan!	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 13994

From Europe: Two felons for the price of one! Grand Jury Filed Indictments Against the Clintons ISSUE 1299 Tuesday 15 December 1998 Clintons 'very likely' to face trial over Whitewater affair By Hugo Gurdon in Washington CRIMINAL indictments that could put Bill and Hillary Clinton in jail have been filed by a grand jury, according to a report in Washington yesterday. The charges have not yet been formalised by Kenneth Starr, the independent counsel, but Whitewater grand jurors reportedly have decided that there is enough evidence to go ahead. The indictments are under seal and would not be disclosed until after Mr Clinton leaves office, either as scheduled in January 2001, or earlier if he is removed after a Senate trial. It means that while Mr Clinton's aides used television interviews yesterday to argue against impeachment, Mr Starr has caught the President in a pincer movement. If he admits lying under oath, coaching witnesses to lie in his defence, and obstructing justice, Republicans might decide that this belated candour is sufficient to forestall impeachment in the historic vote scheduled for Thursday or Friday. However, it would hand prosecutors conclusive evidence against Mr Clinton allowing Mr Starr to pursue him once his second presidential term is over, as prescribed by the constitution. The chance of prosecution is not remote, as had been thought, but a real and present danger. It explains why Mr Clinton still, in most people's view, refuses to tell the obvious truth despite the advice of political aides to "confess and avoid" by making a clean breast of his offences. White House aides told the Washington Times yesterday that sealed indictments were filed recently, and this explains the comment of Gregory Craig, special counsel to the President, who told impeachment hearings last week that criminal prosecution was "very likely". Lawyers familiar with the Office of the Independent Counsel say Mr Starr has not shut down his investigations, even though he sent his impeachment evidence to Congress months ago. His spokesman says it could take "a minimum of one-and-a-half to two years" to end the Whitewater investigation, which has already secured 15 convictions of Mr Clinton's associates. The investigation has expanded beyond its original remit, which was to look into the Clintons' financial dealings in Arkansas, and now includes inquiries into their role in the White House's illegal accumulation of 900 FBI files on Republicans - apparently for an enemies list - and the sacking of White House travel office staff and their replacement with friends. Mr Starr decided that there was insufficient evidence to impeach Mr Clinton over the files and travel office, but the investigations are apparently not "dry holes" as the Democrats say. Mrs Clinton is suspected of being the main force behind both. Already the independent counsel has drafted an indictment of the First Lady for lying about her legal work on a land deal called Castle Grande, which was used to siphon money out of a government-backed thrift, comparable to a building society. telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000118613908976&rtmo=VuZxFP5x&atmo=VuZxFP5x&P4_FOLLOW_ON=/98/12/15/wclin15.html&pg=/et/98/12/15/wclin15.html