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To: Brad Bolen who wrote (20172)	12/16/1998 7:50:00 AM
From: Dan B.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

There is SO much more to be realized about economics, relative costs of products versus incomes for the poor, that I believe would improve as a result of my FREEDOM WORKS "ideal"(not!- I see no utopia so soon). If you were truly aware of the reasons for my "misguided" confidence we'd have a discussion. Or you'd just agree!VBG. That I'm misguided is but a conviction you have- based on your view. That's alright. I'm straightforward, sure, and folks often assume I haven't been touched by seeing the poor, the guts, and the insides of the houses. But such experience is exactly why I feel as I do. Long enough ago, I often echoed exactly your sentiments....but evidence changed my mind. I think I'm one of the good guys. If you view me as misguided, it follows that you feel your opinion is superior. Seemingly sadly, I feel the same for my own opinion. I DO believe that where good intentions rule, all are good guys, and the good will win out in the end. Of course, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. To solve that little problem, we have to be open-minded with our good intentions. What you don't know can, in fact, get you killed! I'd like to help the poor where I can. So I try to explain the benefits of freedom- believing it offers what government never can toward the well being of us all. Dick Armeys answer "tough" to the poor, really missed the guts of the matter. I don't think that's the way to think at all.

To: Brad Bolen who wrote (20172)	12/16/1998 11:13:00 AM
From: pezz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

<<he suggested that people would save on their own and if they didn't tough>> Look Brad I don't like Dick Army never have and altho he was saying more I think he brings up a fundamental question.The question is one of degree that the government help those who won't [yes or can't ] help them selves. You make good points with the parks roads etc. But how much shall the successful Americans pay to help those who are not successful? It is easy to classify success with the rich as though that is inherently bad. Thus we don't really need to be fair to them. I don't believe the answer is as simple as you put it. I don't pretend to have the answers but open minded dialog [yes even considering Dick Army's views ] is necessary if a real solution is to be found. BTW I am anything but "rich". pez

To: Brad Bolen who wrote (20172)	12/18/1998 2:53:00 AM
From: Dave Reed	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

RE: I believe Government essentially can't help the poor... Wow, what a straight shooter...even if such an 'ideal' is misguided. I would love to take you to visit some of those poor folk that that mean ol' government isn't helping in my district but... etc. Hi Brad, Like Brian, I am a libertarian, so maybe I can respond to your points. You seem to be making the case that there are poor people so therefor there must be a role for the government to help them. I don't think most libertarians would argue with you that poor people exist. I don't think you need to take Brian anywhere to show him that. Like you, most libertarians are very interested in solving the problems of poverty. Where I (and the libertarians I know) would take issue with you is with your proposal of using the government as the solution. At the very least, I'd like to remind you that the government exists now (I can take you to see it in my district if you'd like) and has been attempting to solve the poverty problem for decades. Is there a chance that the government isn't really the solution to the poverty problem? This century is littered with the graves of millions of people who have been slaughtered by governments. Our own government is engaged in adding to this total tonight as I write this message. And each missile that they fire costs more than I'll pay in taxes in my lifetime -- money that I'll never be able to use to help improve the condition of the poor. In my opinion, you've picked a strange ally in your quest to cure poverty. Dave