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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Machaon who wrote (20932)	12/16/1998 11:42:00 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

<<That is not a very popular position. Most lovers of other people's fetuses consider them having a soul at conception.>> I have it on pretty good authority, but you have to consider the Quran, Gods word. <<I also believe that it should be up to a woman and not up to politicians.>> What if the woman "tricks" me out of some sperm. We have an agreement and she guarantees me the sex is just for pleasure, but she lied, she wants my baby. OK, I am honorable and I will provide support for the child. Do I have rights over the child. What if I sign away my rights as a father. What if I find out before the trimester, lets say in the first month, when it is really tiny. Can I require her to stop the pregnancy. Can I sue mommy for fraud. After all we had a verbal contract that the sex would cost me nothing and she deliberately violated that. She has stolen my sperm. What about the complications of suragate moms. My wife is handicapped from the chest down. We know now that the spinal cords of fetuses can be spliced into an adult spinal cord. Research is going on now in this area (not in the USA). What about system and organ harvesting. Of course you know there are dozens of other what if's on this subject. My point is are these all just woman's health issues and nobody elses business. It seems a simple solution to claim that it is and leave it to them. To dismiss all possible what if's is to me akin to saying the queen can do no wrong. <<The fetus's soul goes up to Heaven and the woman will be judged by her compassionate God.>> yeah, that's them, it doesn't release me from responsibility for my involvement here on Earth. <<That's a tall statement.>> Well at whatever level of influence I have. << Last night they showed the dog and cat fur trade in China. They torture dogs and cats to death for their skins and are very barbaric in doing this, in order to not damage the furs. It brought me to tears and I can't get the images out of my mind. Does this brutality against animals bother you?>> Yes <<All of creation? Does that include all species?>> Yes, but again at my level of experience and where it is reasonable to hold me accountable for my level of influence. <<But, just when I start thinking of you as a person for truth and justice, you get nasty and insulting to others with differing opinions. >> OK, I don't mind anybody challenging me on the points, positions, and opinions I have. I answer all questions I believe to be sincere and even some I don't, regardless of the embarrassment it might cause me. Like Dan schuh asking me about the unit I served in. My draft number was 4 and I chose not to serve in Viet Nam. Probably with similar thinking as bill clintons. I explained my position in detail. I am not trying to align my self with the RR republicans even though my views on clintons impeachment may seem that way. Some time someone differs with me and they point out strong justification for it. Ok, sometimes it even makes sense to me why we should have differing opinions that's enough. Some times I do see something I haven't considered before and I modify my position, fine. When someone decides to twist the meaning of what I've posted to energize their "side" or be disingenuous at my expense to strenthen partison positions, or hop around inconsistantly with a principle (applies to your side but not mine) I consider this dishonest and sometimes hypcritical. I know these are nasty words but if it looks like that is what is going on, I have to say so. Some times I can tell I'm being teased, no big deal. Some times I think someone is trying to "win" and the truth doesn't matter. So I call them a liar. That's what it is to me. If I have misunderstood you, I am sorry and I hope we can start over.