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To: DaveMG who wrote (1267)	12/18/1998 11:14:00 AM
From: tero kuittinen	Respond to of 34857

Don't be so damn relevant, Mardy... we have a debate going on here. There are a lot of CDMA patents out there. I know I'm getting repetitive, but E&N have been doing CDMA research for a decade. This much is undisputed. All the W-CDMA front needs to do is to claim that they can build the system on their own and then take a "so sue us" attitude. Somebody just wrote me that Germany has rejected one of Qualcomm's patent claims this week. I don't know whether this was a big one or not - but some experts seem to think that Ericsson's and Nokia's CDMA patents could be used to block cdma2000. So they can just tangle the whole thing up and start cross-suing each other. I know who has deepest pockets if that game is started. I don't like this possibility and I don't think that the operators are going to like it, either. But that's the reason Qualcomm may be forced to make concessions. I might add that N&E have played this IPR game on various fronts for more than a decade now - they know about international patent laws and new standards. I just think that their lawyers must be competent enough to pull this off. Tero

To: DaveMG who wrote (1267)	12/18/1998 11:16:00 AM
From: Mika Kukkanen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34857

DaveMG: You are supposing that Qcom are the only holders of IPR. So far it has been disproven with the EPO revoking a very broad patent (the concept of CDMA?), because it has been done before (by Motorola). When I searched for CDMA and WCDMA patent, imagine my surprise to see over 20 companies holding (claiming) IPR (I'm still counting BTW). Makes you think why it is just Qualcomm that is being intransigent. You are also neglected to mention that Qcom are being taken to court next year (April-ish) with regard to infringing on IS-95 patents. If they lose, then what will that mean? Now the usual stuff: GSM IPR is still being disputed in courts today and look how successful the roll-out has been.