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To: Rick Julian who wrote (27203)	12/21/1998 10:56:00 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I have only been in court once, when I was 14- and I was surly and nasty then and definitely did tell the truth as I perceived it. So I am pretty sure my statement was accurate. You assumed that I had been in court a lot- I did not intend for you to make that assumption but I can now see it would be a natural one to make. I do not count as lying instances of self deception. I do not believe Clinton's lying is an example of that. To do what he did with Ms. Lewinsky he must have realized that he was- in some sense, no matter how tortured- ALONE with her. And that is merely one example. I am sure perjury IS committed everyday, but I do not buy the "everybody does it" excuse. And everyone does not do it. There are honest individuals who do make an effort to tell the truth as they perceive it. There are also people in prison for perjury. There are people who have lost there jobs for perjury, just as there are LOTS of men (and some women) who have lost their jobs for sexually harassing people in the workplace, and for using bad judgment at the office. I do not understand why anyone should wish to keep this tragically flawed man in the highest office of our nation- this is America, the people have every right to do it, but I will never understand it.

To: Rick Julian who wrote (27203)	12/27/1998 7:36:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

<To lie is an attempt to deceive. As a function of preserving our ego, we deceive ourselves each and every day, and our lying to others is but a reflection of this well practiced craft. A lovely example is Christine's contention that she is more saintly than Mother Theresa was. I really like that one.> I am dead serious about Mother Teresa, and totally truthful when I say that I have never allowed anyone to stay in pain when I had the means at my disposal to alleviate it. I have never discriminated against Protestants by allowing only "good" Catholic families to adopt a child. I have never, not once, hung out with Papa Doc Duvalier or Charles Keating, or given them an alibi or excused their abhorrent behavior because they gave me some money. And I have always offered children toys to play with, not left them bored and hungry. Now, if you deem these acts by Mother Teresa to be "saintly" in its highest, purest meaning, then Mother Teresa is saintly and I am not. Your meanings of the word would not be the generally accepted one, however. But if you define saintliness as having anything to do with basic human kindness and reverence for life, then a logical and truthful person would have to conclude that Mother Teresa is no saint. Nor am I, but I don't pretend to be. I simply observed in a very rational way that I am more saintly than was Mother Teresa. But that wouldn't be hard, and was a criticism of her rather than an attempt to blow my own horn.