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To: Dayuhan who wrote (27271)	12/25/1998 7:56:00 AM
From: nihil	Respond to of 108807

re: intended to have sex for fun With a few caveats about the behavior of caged higher primates, I think you are right. From observing mating behavior in films and the field for years, I think we are about the only species that actually does have fun mating. I was shocked when 17 year locusts kept mating with my rototiller. I was annoyed when the female black widow spiders ate up all of the males in my conservatory. I was disgusted when my praying mantishes beheaded the hes and ate them while, like perfect gentlemen, the males loyally continued their reproductive duties. ("Pierre. you are dinner. Pierre, pray continue", and if Pierre continues -- that is savoir faire.) Now I don't know who is responsible for this state of things, but I have made a careful, lifelong study of human beauty. Concepts of beauty are astoundingly conventional (except for Rubens and various fertility goddesses for whom I cannot account). Regardless of how bigotted a hetero- or bisexual man may be, expose him to a really good looking and cooperative young woman of any human tribe, and something sexual is very likely to happen in a few minutes or hours. Expose him to a moderately ugly and cooperative older woman and it takes a few hours longer. Beauty simply accelerates things. We (unlike Freud) know what (most) women want -- they want to be impregnated with as little fuss as possible and then for the man to go away and leave some money on the bedside table. They also want him (or somebody) to take care of the expense of raising the kid. And then they want another kid, and another ... Man is a thinking animal, and thinks this is a rotten deal. But he remains a sucker. It is a crooked game, but it is the only game in town -- unless man runs into that most desirable (and most desired and most selective) of all women, the beautiful, independent, wealthy, fun-loving playgirl. Maybe she doesn't have to be that beautiful. Organized religion and women's clubs are dedicated to destroying this most delectable morsel. Women who show their enjoyment of sex too openly will be condemned as prostitutes, and gutless men will seldom do anything to defend them. (Nice thing about Pericles -- he stood by his gal (Bill please copy. Bill?). Would you rather spend an evening with Aspasia or Xanthippe?("No one is wiser than Socrates?" Try Pericles for a start!). Magdalene ("7 devils --- count them, 7" or the Virgin Mary? (You know whom Jesus chose to hang with -- you never know when another devil will pop up and need to be cast out). "Beg pardon, Miss, do you have a devil that needs to be cast out? Let me give you a hand?"), Cleopatra or Octavia? (A World Well Lost), Monica or Hillary? (It seemed a good idea at the time) Most women are willing to play the game of marriage until the kids have become independent burdens on their spouses and to pretend to be occasionally overjoyed. I think people are inventing this fun game of sex. Abortion helps. Contraception helps. Adoption helps. Sterilization helps. Cloning will help. We need to get rid of this excessively moist, time consuming, messy, and unpredictable way of reproducing and either follow the squid (now they look like they're having fun) or eliminate the remaining connection between sex and reproduction. Sex can become one of the few athletic games in which mixed doubles is inherently superior to mens doubles or women's doubles (even Socrates saw that in the Symposium). It is simply a matter of design and sanitation, not morality. Once the fear of unwanted reproduction is completely vanquished we can concentrate on improving sex. Have you ever heard of a country subsidizing research on creative foreplay or post-coital fantasy or contraceptive body suits? Think about the Olympics! Mixed doubles on the balance beam, the vaulting horse, the uneven parallel bars (snicker!) and the double sculls. Some of the countries we only hear about in badminton, field hockey, rhythmic gymnastics and clog dancing can really make a contribution to the World Sex Olympics. Bangkok won't have to bribe the IOC. The prospect is highly stimulating.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (27271)	12/25/1998 12:14:00 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

With your spouse.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (27271)	12/26/1998 11:02:00 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

>Other creatures, even those which are biologically similar to us, reserve sexual contact exclusively for the female's fertile period. < You are completely wrong here. Where do you come up with this stuff? Lots of primates masturbate, as do other animals. Male dogs will attempt to have sex with anything including other male dogs, this is true for most male animals. There is a society of primates wherein most conflicts are resolved by sexual contact-the society had lots of female to female sexual contact if I recall correctly. Females being in estrus was not a factor in the sexual contacts.