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To: mark silvers who wrote (23616)	12/28/1998 10:32:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

PROVERBS LOVE GOD OR FEAR HIM? (PROVERBS 1:7) Wouldn't it be better if the author just said that we are to love God rather than commending our fear of him? Why is fearing God mentioned so frequently in the Bible? The phrase is used so frequently that cross-referencing all the instances here has been avoided in the interests of space. The term to fear can describe everything from dread (Deut 1:29) or being terrified (Jon 1:10) to standing in awe (1 Kings 3:28) and having reverence (Lev 19:3). When used of the Lord, it encapsulates both aspects of the term, a shrinking back in recognition of the difference or holiness of God and the drawing close in awe and worship. To fear the Lord is not to experience a dread that paralyzes all action, but neither is it just a polite respect. It is an attitude of both reluctance and adoration that results in a willingness to do what God says. The fear of the Lord, then, is absolutely necessary if we are even to begin on the right foot in learning, living or worshiping. The problem with saying that loving God is enough is that this informs us as to what the proper emotion should be, but it says nothing, in and of itself, as to what we should do about expressing that love. It also leaves the important aspect of the holiness and difference of God's nature and character untouched and without a response. But with the fear of the Lord there is a foundation for wisdom, discipline, learning and life. It expresses itself in a hatred of evil (Prov 8:13) and demonstrates its presence by its willingness to be obedient (Gen 22:12). [Taken from Hard Sayings of the Bible - Parsons Technologies]

To: mark silvers who wrote (23616)	12/28/1998 11:39:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Dear Mark, The fear of God from my experience is for our benefit. The main thing I would say about our God is that he is the greatest teacher. He knew that Isaiah needed a hot coal on his tongue to convince him to release his guilt and to give him enough fear to stop his destructive habit. What an awesome teacher he is. In Dueteronomy when Moses was told by the Israelites that they were to afraid of God to go to the mountain Gods response touched me. He said to Moses, Oh that they would fear me and keep my commandments that it might go well for them and their children forever. That revealed to me his motive in causing anyone to fear is to make us teachable and keep us from harm in this life and the next. There is a point in most of our lives when we realize we are not enough in ourselves but need the wisdom and love of God. I found this in Jesus. I hope you have a healthy and prosperous Year in 1999, Nancy

To: mark silvers who wrote (23616)	12/29/1998 12:51:00 AM
From: PROLIFE	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

I keep thinking I am not saying something that you should hear. (quite possible), but when I look at my answers and Alans answers and two more of my friends here locally answers tonight, it keeps coming up "choice". It has to I think. I have been given choice by God. He just as well could have destroyed me in my sinful nature as to save me from it and as the clay, I would not resist(could not). A passing thought from him, making us all do something whether it be passing or not would still amount to being robots. He does not want that evidently or He would have , could have done so. At the judgement I am not the Judge so I can not tell you whom will or won't be saved. I do not believe it is for man to know or desire to know that. I can show you a couple of scriptures and let you decide for yourself. Matt. 12: 34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. 2 Peter 2: 1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) 9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: And this to be the truth of the matter also: John 3: 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. So who brings the condemnation? God or the unbeliever? dan