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To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (31702)12/30/1998 12:46:00 AM
From: Bill Harmond  Respond to of 164684
 
>>netmarket has the reality while amazon has the dreams...

I originally thought so, and it is a remarkable model. Even Clam Clam thought so when he started this thread (see opening post).

However Amazon has the recognition, and is stealing the show.



To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (31702)12/30/1998 1:18:00 AM
From: jach  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 164684
 
Don't be a fool on Internet stocks

BY DAN GILLMOR (Dec 29, 1998)
Mercury News Technology Columnist

WHEN the Internet stock-gambling bubble finally bursts, as it
surely will, the greatest fools will suffer the most, as they always
do. But if history is any guide, the people who took them for fools
will have already cashed in their winnings.

In this sickening replay of previous manias, the losers will find
themselves with few allies. They'll be written off as greedy
suckers who wanted something for nothing and got what they
deserved -- while the financial daisy chain that put the mania in
motion will retreat into its comfortable lair for a time, waiting for
the next crowd of greater fools.

When? I have no idea. I would never advise anyone to bet
against market momentum in the short run.

I am absolutely convinced, moreover, that the Internet will be the
catalyst for enormous change in our economy and culture, and
that in at least a few cases genuine value is being created in this
market. So I'm sure that some of today's hot Internet companies
have a strong future. A couple may even be worth buying at
today's prices.

But if you believe that all or even most of the so-called Internet
stocks are worth anything like their current valuations, you must
also believe that the Internet will utterly destroy almost all of what
has come before it. You must be convinced that the new
e-businesses will not only take their place alongside today's
brick-and-mortar brands but will actually supplant most of them.
Otherwise this makes no sense.

But look at the numbers -- and I'm not talking about Zapata's
on-again, off-again Zap ''network'' and the other flaky companies
that zoom in price on the slightest of pronouncements. Look at
the supposedly gilt-edged outfits. Their valuations suggest that
investors are betting on a total upheaval of today's marketplace.

Consider the eBay Web-auction site, now valued by investors at
about $12 billion -- almost as much as Kellogg, the giant food
company. Last week, Amazon.com's market capitalization
exceeded the Sears retail empire. And America Online moved
ahead of Disney.

The total-upheaval scenario strikes me as unlikely. But it's not
impossible: Witness the way industry after entrenched industry --
including much of the newspaper business -- has reacted to the
Internet like a deer frozen in the headlights of an oncoming car.

That hesitation stems from a dilemma faced by many traditional
businesses. They grew up with business models that don't
translate well to the Internet, or which are open to attack from
smaller, more nimble start-up companies.

Some entrenched businesses undoubtedly will be replaced over
time. But not all; smart companies will incorporate the Net into
their everyday existence -- enduring some painful transitions, no
doubt, but ultimately moving into the new era with their brands
intact or stronger than ever. And new Net companies will quickly
imitate today's successful upstarts.

I doubt that most Internet investors are expecting a total
overturning of today's economy. I suspect they're jumping on a
rocket ship that has brought such public wealth to so many, and
want some of that lucre. (Are the small investors pouring money
into Net companies considering what will happen to their own
jobs and lives if the economy changes to that degree? I doubt it.)

I believe an Internet-stock reckoning is coming, because I don't
believe we've repealed all of the business logic of the past, or the
laws of supply and demand. In the meantime, however, we've
abandoned some venerable principles -- assuming they meant
something in the first place.

Our economic system is unencumbered today by such notions as
civic responsibility or ethics. The game is about pure power and
greed. From venture capitalists to executives of start-up
companies to investment bankers to stock brokers to investors,
no one wants to miss out on the boom that is spraying money
around like water from a fire hose.

They play because they can, knowing they're fueling a bubble but
unwilling to say no. Company X went public at an early stage and
raised a bundle of cash, so the people running Company Y want
to stay competitive and go public, too, and they know there are
plenty of naive investors willing to buy shares in the most
speculative venture so long as it has some connection to the
Internet. The bankers and brokers earn millions in fees; they may
know they're selling garbage, but they also know that if they don't
make the deal, someone else will. The credulous media keep
telling the amazing stories of lottery-like stock rises, making
heroes of people who are just this side of con artists.

And the bubble keeps inflating.

The cynicism is beyond breathtaking. The consequences will be
devastating to small investors who told themselves they were
buying a sure thing. In fact, they treated their savings like a
hundred-dollar bill at a Las Vegas blackjack table, where the
casino can legally eject any customer who figures out how to win
consistently.

If justice had anything to do with markets, the people most to
blame for the coming debacle would be held accountable. It
doesn't anymore (if it ever did), and they won't.

So remember: If you are a small investor and playing this market
with money you really can't afford to lose, you are nothing but a
gambler. You may win. But you are playing a fool's game. Don't
expect much sympathy if you lose.

Dan Gillmor's column appears each Sunday, Tuesday and Friday.
Write him (and please include a daytime phone number -- for
verification, not publication) at the Mercury News, 750 Ridder
Park Drive, San Jose, Calif. 95190; e-mail:
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To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (31702)12/30/1998 8:11:00 AM
From: tonyt  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 164684
 
WSJ 2nd lead (the press is becoming more cautious). Its now being compared to the biotech bubble. Note that these two stories are ahead of yesterdays DOW's 93 pt rise and eighth straight gain, the longest winning streak of the year:

The magnitude of Internet stocks' price increases and market values dwarfs speculative frenzies in recent memory, such as the one for biotechnology stocks in 1991.

There's No Mania Like Net Mania;
Historically, This May Take the Cake

By GREG IP
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

The U.S. has seen stock manias before, but nothing, it would appear, on
the scale of the current frenzy for Internet stocks.

The magnitude of Internet stocks' price increases and market values
dwarfs what some longtime market watchers recall in previous speculative
frenzies, like that for biotechnology stocks in 1991. And compared with
America Online's trailing price-earnings ratio of 418, the 95-times-earnings
Polaroid hit in 1972 at the peak of the "Nifty Fifty" era was a model of
value investing.

"If you were looking for something that was a
fitting finale to the biggest bull market in
history, it would be the biggest speculative
mania in history -- and that's what it does look
like," says Robert Farrell, senior investment
adviser at Merrill Lynch.

A veteran market analyst, Mr. Farrell recalls
similar crazes for franchise and
computer-leasing companies in 1968, and for
bowling stocks in 1961.

"The big public participation and parabolic price rises, the initial public
offerings going up more than any other IPOs have on the first day of
trading -- that kind of thing has happened before. The only difference is the
extent and size of it. These stocks are getting to be worth more than many
of the old-line blue chips."

For example, at its record close Monday of $157.25, America Online had
a market value of $72 billion, which would have ranked it 33rd largest in
the Standard & Poor's 500-stock index, to which it will be added at
Thursday's close. That's bigger than PepsiCo, Gillette or General Motors.
(Tuesday, AOL's value slipped to $70.8 billion.) Yahoo would have
ranked 84th, while Amazon.com would have been No. 118. All three
declined Tuesday while the S&P 500 rose, depressing their rankings.

The Company That They Keep
The Biggest Internet Stocks...

Market Cap
(billions)
Revenue-a
(billions)
America Online
$70.8
$2.90
Yahoo!
26.6
0.15
Amazon.com
17.5
0.42
eBay
11.0
--
AtHome
9.6
0.03
Network Associates
8.2
0.82
Netscape Comm.
6.6
0.57
E*Trade Group
3.3
0.20
CMGI
2.9
0.11
Excite
2.5
0.12
...Rival the Size of Old Standards

Market Cap
(billions)
Revenue-a
(billions)
Walt Disney
$62.4
$23.0
Colgate
27.5
9.0
J.P. Morgan
18.5
19.0
J.C. Penney
12.4
31.0
RJR Nabisco
9.5
17.0
Gateway
8.0
7.1
New York Times
6.6
2.9
A.G. Edwards
3.3
2.2
American Greetings
2.8
2.2
B.F. Goodrich
2.5
3.8
a-Latest 12 months
Source: Baseline, WSJ research

Shares of eBay, which had revenue of $12.9 million in the company's
third-quarter report, its first after going public Sept. 23, have a market
value of $11 billion, exceeding Federated Department Stores, with
third-quarter revenue of $3.6 billion.

"I know of no new-issue market that has exploded on the scene with this
degree of intensity," says Jeremy Siegel, a professor of finance at the
Wharton School and a renowned markets scholar. He says buyers of the
stocks must believe not only that the Internet is as revolutionary as the
telephone or telegraph, but also that any future profits won't be lost to
competition. "That's where a lot of us have problems," Prof. Siegel said.
"We're not denying the revolutionary aspect of the Internet."

Except for some high-profile analysts, most of Wall Street is skeptical of
the Internet craze. Mr. Farrell says that at year-end luncheons, a regular
recommendation is to sell "short" an Internet stock. (Short sellers hope to
profit from a decline in a stock's price.) Individual investors appear to have
far more faith.

These professionals aren't skeptical so much about the value of the Internet
or that some companies will make a fortune on it. Rather, they are
skeptical that so many companies can hope to survive, let alone meet the
expectations built into their stock prices.

"Survivability, not valuation, is the key issue," Edward Kerschner,
investment strategist at PaineWebber, wrote in a May report. He drew
parallels between Internet stocks and personal-computer stocks, darlings
of the 1982-83 bull market. At the end of 1982, the most-prominent PC
makers were Apple, International Business Machines, Atari, Commodore,
Tandy and Texas Instruments. Only Apple "was a good long-term vehicle"
for playing the PCs business, and most of today's leaders -- Compaq
Computer, Dell Computer or Gateway 2000 -- weren't even public at the
time.

The best parallel to the Internet mania was the craze of biotechnology
stocks in 1991-92. These were companies that similarly rarely had
revenue, let alone earnings, and therefore defied standard valuation efforts.
According to Securities Data Co., 101 biotech companies went public in
1991 and 1992, raising $4.4 billion. Only 44 are still trading.

By comparison, Securities Data counts 73 Internet companies that have
gone public since the beginning of 1997, raising $4.6 billion. (AOL and
Yahoo have been public for more than two years.)

But by one measure, the Internet mania has been far more intense: Internet
shares have gained an average of 38% on their first day of trading,
compared with the 7.5% average for biotech companies, Securities Data
calculates.

One lesson of the biotech and other technology manias, Mr. Kerschner
wrote, is that "too much will be paid for even the best companies." He
noted that Amgen, the leader of the biotech group, didn't sustainably break
its end-of-1991 level until 1995. (In an eerie parallel to America Online,
Amgen entered the S&P 500 on the last day of 1991.) "Amgen was a
great company but an overpriced stock."

Even if AOL's per-share operating profit was to grow 50% a year for the
next five years, investors are now paying 55 times those five-years-out
earnings. But that might be justified if it survives an industry shakeout that
vanquishes dozens of competitors.

"At current valuations, I can't say AOL is a good buy," says Aash Shah, a
fund manager at Federated Investors. "But AOL will be one of the
long-term successes within the Internet space."

Prof. Siegel notes that many investors doubted IBM could sustain its
double-digit earnings growth in the 1960s. Skeptical investors were
reluctant to pay the high price its stock consistently commanded relative to
earnings -- thus passing up one of the most impressive companies of the
era. "There are arguments ... these growth premiums might have some
justification," says Prof. Siegel.