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To: Frank Griffin who wrote (1127)	12/31/1998 7:26:00 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2390

Question, why is it so difficult to adopt and so easy to abort? Because Americans still consider unborn children to be human life forms without any basic human rights. They are to some degree human, having a full set of human genes, but they are legally considered property, not people. Throughout history, various groups have denied basic human rights to groups which they considered non-human or less-than-fully human, or which they have treated as property and not people. History is filled with such examples--in our own history, black slaves; in modern history, Jews in Nazi Germany; in the traditional culture of India (and in many other places), women (who in India were expected to burn themselves on the funeral pyres of their husbands) . . . the list goes on and on. Someday people will look back on legalized abortion with the same horror with which we now look back on slavery, Auschwitz, and all the rest and ask "how could decent people do those things to [blacks/jews/women/Albanians/children...]?" And the answer, as it always has been throughout history, will be "they didn't know any better; they weren't all evil people, though some were, and some--even many--knew better, but basically their culture as a whole didn't accept that [slaves/jews/women/the unborn/name of other group] were "real" people who deserved to be treated like people, not property. They hadn't yet come to realize that ALL human life is precious, in whatever form it comes, whatever its color, race, sex, or condition." When you can explain to me why decent people (like Thomas Jefferson) owned slaves, why decent people subjugated women for centuries, why decent Germans worked in the concentration camps, why decent people today are carrying out genocide in Kosovo, in Somalia, in you name it, they I will explain to you why decent people still abort children in this country.

To: Frank Griffin who wrote (1127)	1/1/1999 12:43:00 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2390

Frank, I hate to go into this chasm on abortion here because as you know it is an argument that cant be won effectively by either side. First of all let me disagree with your opinion of the Christian Coalition on this issue, they have completely eliminated any possibility of RU-486 abailability in this country based on THEIR beliefs and their beliefs alone. (the drug companies dont want to deal with their intimidation tactics). If you choose to believe a 10-hr old fertilized egg is a "baby" so be it. I dont believe that, no one I know believes that, and talk about hypocrisy if you do! There are tons of things that cause pregnancies NOT to come to term, such as smoking, alcohol etc and if these sanctimonious religious groups were truly concerned about this 10-hr old fertilized egg they would be picketing the tobacco companies (RU-486 being an unpleasant outcome of a bad circumstance, vs. the mainstream activity smoking I mean). They dont do that, because their real issue is purely birth control. On your question regarding adoption, if you are talking about the tiny number of PBAs in this country and stating that those should be adoption candidates, fine by me. Having not had children I can only guess but I believe the emotional attachment of carrying a child for 6+ months and having a PBA is probably more traumatic than having a child and putting it up for adoption. But if you are referring to a teenage girl that is 2 mos pregnant and you are proposing an adoption as an option in that case, I dont agree, because to me a 2 mos old fetus is nothing but tissue attached to the mothers body, and having a child at age 16 will likely ruin that girls life in terms of her own future.