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To: Jamey who wrote (23836)	1/7/1999 7:40:00 AM
From: Sam Ferguson	Respond to of 39621

"Paul said this about the Christian's position. ".....Ye are not under the law but under grace." Rom. 6:14 It is a sad commentary that the Christian Churches have taught a mixture of law and grace and have promoted and practiced required rituals which are not Christian at all." Sad indeed for even you, who also contend with Dan about Paul, cannot recognize that Paul & Peter taught two different methods of salvation. I know you read my post about this and how the Romans in writing the bible stole and edited his writings to agree with Peters doctrine and then made it a part of the canon. The Pharisees were not guilty of the horrors described in the bible but were revolting against slavery and taxes. Conveniently both were placed under protection of the Roman religion. Render unto Ceaser and slaves obey the master and the servant shouldn't bury his talent. Santiago I do not want you to accept anything I or anyone else proclaims as truth. But please, pretty please, do some researching and thinking about Paul, the government of the time, the Jewish history of the times (there is plenty) why the library at Alexandria was burned, and all the many facts which will lead you to a conclusion of fact and not just faith and tradition. You are on the right track about Paul so look at Paul's teaching and Peters and consider how the book of acts was written to reconcile them.

To: Jamey who wrote (23836)	1/7/1999 11:38:00 AM
From: John S.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Hello Jim, Been following your conversation with Dan and am attempting to get a better understanding of your outlook from a dispensational point. No argument from my side regarding grace as you know. The law is passe and salvation is by grace through Christ. Regarding the use of all of the scriptures is where I seek clarification. II Timothy 3 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. (Old Testament leading someone to Christ) 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:.. I do not confuse the issue where vs 16 states "for doctrine" with imposing the law or ritual. The law does not save but "by the law is the knowledge of sin." Romans 3:20 Utilizing the Old Testament we can lead someone to salvation by grace through Christ. Paul as much as says so to Timothy. I often use the law in sharing the gospel with people. If someone is not under conviction of sin in their lives I use the law as per Romans 3:20 to show that they are under sin as most I find, believe their works will save them being counted as righteousness. If a person is already under conviction of sin in their life I don't beat them up with the law. I confirm what they believe and present grace. What are your thoughts here? By the way we're in a heat wave now. minus 15 John

To: Jamey who wrote (23836)	1/7/1999 4:58:00 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Amen to that. Bob

To: Jamey who wrote (23836)	1/7/1999 5:37:00 PM
From: PROLIFE	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

I sincerely wish that you can understand what is to us and about us during the dispensation of grace and remember the curse about trying to add or take away from Paul's Gospel. I do not take this lightly and only post the Good News about the Grace of God for your edification and not as a basis for arguement or disagreement. Pauls gospel??? You need to understand my friend, that Paul is an apostle of the LORD JESUS CHRIST. The gospel is not written about or for Paul and Paul is not to be worshipped, or taken solely for HIS words. The gospel is the gospel. Not just a certain part of Acts or Romans. What curse do you speak of Jim? The "Good News" is Jesus not Paul. Paul would tell you that face to face,AND DID SO IN THESE VERSES:: 11 My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12 What I mean is this: One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas "; still another, "I follow Christ." 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? 14 I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. 16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don't remember if I baptized anyone else.) 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel--not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. 18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." 20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. I like that last part too, Jim..... BOTH Jews and Greeks. wonder why Paul would say that? God Bless dan

To: Jamey who wrote (23836)	1/8/1999 1:46:00 AM
From: O'Hara	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

><>...Good evening James...><> Just trying to understand your point James, and why you seem to be getting so upset. Is someone here saying that the law, and not the gift of grace through the shed blood of our Lord Jesus, is the way to salvation? I don't think I read that of anyone here. Sorry James I have not been following the thread very closely lately. Can you fill me in? I am really just trying to understand the issue at hand. What is it? Can you please elaborate? Sincerely in the love of our precious Saviour, Jesus the Christ. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. My love be with you all in Christ Jesus. Amen. Shalom...><> Ps 133:1-3 1 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! 2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments; 3 As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.