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To: nasdaqian who wrote (27744)	1/8/1999 2:16:00 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Bruce, I don't think that "no worries" is the obvious alternative to Bircher paranoia. I certainly have plenty of worries, they're just a little more complicated, and I suspect a little more reflective of what's actually going on out there. The moment you lump the problems of the world together and ascribe them to a single great conspiracy you risk taking your eye off many of the infinitude of balls flying around out there. This is dangerous. When looking at the "New World Order" it's important to examine the various old world orders. Before World War II the world order was mercantilism, which assumed that nations with strong armies were entitled to establish empires, exploiting subject nations for their own benefit. After WWII we spent time in a transitional period, where large nations exercised indirect control over former subject in vaguely defined spheres of influence. The usual mechanism was to prop up a compliant dictator which would allow his country to be fleeced. This didn't work very well, as the dictators generally fleeced both their patrons and their own people, and not even the most thorough methods of fleecing could draw much out of nations reduced to beggary. Today a new world order is evolving whether we like it or not. There are many varying opinions on what it ought to be, but anyone who is paying attention knows that some sort of order is necessary. Trade is global, investment is global, capital flow is global. Events within countries have enormous effects on their neighbors. Obviously some sort of international system for developing and enforcing ground rules has to exist; what is important to acknowledge is that this system is in the early process of evolution. We need to join that process, not with the intention of controlling it, but with the intention of working with it and moving it in a direction that accommodates all interests. It is important to recognize that other nations have legitimate interests of their own, and that those interests have often been trodden on in the past. The notion that the UN will be capable of enforcing "behaviour-control" is absurd. Temporary peacekeeping forces are formed and used in situations where civil wars or genocidal regimes threaten regional security, not to intervene in internal affairs. I am also uncomfortable with the excessive American presence in these forces, less because they involve international control over US forces than because a US or European military presence is anathema in many areas that have experienced colonial subjection. My own solution is that the Nepalese Gurkha mercenary regiments be reconstituted and hired for UN peacekeeping duties. The Gurkhas have been unemployed since Britain returned Hong Kong, and Nepal can use the money. They would surely be cheaper that troops from developed nations. They are among the most capable and disciplined military units on earth, and nobody will accuse Nepal of taking over peacekeeping duties to enhance a hidden imperial agenda. Obviously it will cost some money, but it needs to be done, and we do have a long tradition of paying others to do our dirty work for us. Cheap at the price, I'd say. Could go on, but will save it for another time... Steve

To: nasdaqian who wrote (27744)	1/8/1999 7:31:00 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 108807

Bruce, That's right. There is no undiscovered continent to run to and escape the oppression. Where can we go when freedom dies in the USA? There will be no place left. All these treaties with the UN and what they involve can no longer be denied. It's just a matter of lining up for or against. The anti-christian slant these days in society is the same as the anti-semitic slant prior to WWII, but it's like pulling teeth to get these christian bashers to admit it's bad to be down on christians. They may be feeding a far more sinister part of the NWO than they are aware of. I wonder how many Germans thought "Hey, we don't like them. But we really didn't mean for you to start killing them. Taking their wealth and relocating them is one thing, but not this. Too late. They went along and many didn't realize what the powers that be had in mind. Bob