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To: Jonathan Bird who wrote (22206)	1/12/1999 9:37:00 AM
From: soup	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 213173

Here's what I think about Carmack's comments ... (cribbed from "risso" on Raging Bull) >At first, as an IBM trained programmer, I do know how to write code and make it work. Carmack is a programmer without discipline. He expects code to fix itself. tha's why he crashed so much. The Mac OS expects code that is written properly ahead of time, so that it does not crash. The Mac OS does not allow for sloppy code writing. I do not know of any programming school which will allow one to graduate, who writes code that needs the OS to fix it! Carmack wants to write and forget. He is a Doshead geek whom, unfortunately, Jobs needs right now to make an impression on other game developers. The fact that some OSes are more advanced in that area, and I am not sure Windoze is all that great, does not mean a coder need not know what the OS requires in terms of how to access memory, etc. It is like saying " I always drive in an empty parking lot, and I hate driving on a two lane parkway. It is so restrictive." We should all look at the games that run flawlessly on the Mac, and BETTER, than their Windows counterparts(UNREAL is a great example), to see that Carmack's comments are at best "light", despite his weight in the gaming world. The fact that the Mac OS does not have protected memory is not a reason that makes it difficult to write code for it. It just makes sloppy programmers realize how much coding discipline they lack in making it in a corporate programming world! His other comments are just DOShead comments, which are just Yadda yadda yadda......We've seen it before. Mac OS 8.6(see my post yesterday) will be a good interim solution to multitasking performance. Spec tests are biased by allowing up to FOUR libraries to be vendor provided, and therefore highly tuned to make results look better on their chip. This alone kills the objectivity of the test, whatever it is. Additionally, no other test is totally accurate either.<

To: Jonathan Bird who wrote (22206)	1/12/1999 8:41:00 PM
From: jeffjl	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 213173

Apple will be the first manufacture a computer with Firewire standard. It's going to be interesting to see what happens as a result in the Windoze world. This is true. However, it's worth pointing out that consumer electronics companies (like Sony) have been using Firewire for things like video cameras, etc, and it doesn't look like there's a competing standard in that arena (maybe it could be something like a home electronics networking standard somewhere down the line? I'm not too familiar with it so I can't say). It's interesting, especially in light of Apple's goal of becoming more like a consumer electronics company. But whether this applies to the new G3/G4's target market I'm not sure. Thoughts?