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To: Valueman who wrote (2586)	1/20/1999 12:10:00 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 29987

Gee Vman, that was fun! You must be suffering nearly 1% of the frustration level of Bernie. I blame mostly the TSA parchment people. Sure, the Zenit should have flown, but that was a free market choice to bet on the competence of guidance computer people in Russian rocketry. Bad luck it ended up in tatters [if that's what crashed satellites look like]. We are prisoners of two or three governments on the TSA. Each can play games with it. Remember, they need lots of activity, discussion, decisionmaking, negotiating and committee meetings to keep their pay rolling in. They can't just lean back in their chairs, put their hands behind their heads, say "Anything yous guys like - Just Do It" then head away to the golf course for the next month or two. They have to have something in their in-tray. They won't be using computers - they like parchment. If they have an empty in-tray, their heads of department will feel there isn't enough activity and start to have trouble getting funding. I tell you, these politicians like power, pay, perquesites. They don't care about greedy capitalist pigs like you and me, nor the lowly masses eking out a living and trying to get cellular coverage. The politicians are Numero Uno. They'll "get around tuit" one of these days when they have dotted a LOT of 'i's and crossed a lot of 't's. Here is a round tuit for them: ...................................................................... ...................................................................... .............................iTiTi.................................... .........................iTiTiTiTiTi.................................. ......................iTiTiTiTiTiTiTi................................. ......................iTiTiTiTiTiTiTi................................. ........................TiTiTiTiTiT................................... .............................TiTiT.................................... ...................................................................... ...................................................................... ...................................................................... Maurice

To: Valueman who wrote (2586)	1/20/1999 4:51:00 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 29987

Imagine Bernie's complexion and demeanour when he was told that the Zenit bit the dust contrary to the impression he might casually have mistakenly gained from the reports 'as seen on tv and the Web'. I hope they have a videotape of the 'War Room' when the facts came in and in a couple of years when blood pressures are back to normal they put in on the Web site. Meanwhile, do you think they have considered this launch vehicle: onager.home.mindspring.com Maurice

To: Valueman who wrote (2586)	1/20/1999 10:18:00 AM
From: Jeff Vayda	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 29987

Valueman, it is too early to tell you to have a good weekend and drink a beer. It is also too early to jump ship. The Russians are notorious for bringing little extras to the table just when the US Government thought they would be signing something. They did it for years with SALT and ABM treaties. Unfortunately we also have the Ukrainians in the mix who seem to have been very well coached by the Russians! Quite discouraging I will grant you, but sadly not all that surprising. The launch business is big money for the Russians. The only leverage they have to increase their launch numbers is to squeeze the current customers so they will whine to the US Government to loosen up. Lockheed is scheduled to brief the government on just that. One good thing, once the green is given, there wont be anything to slow us down. We will have the Soyuz, Deltas and Arianes popping off so much the press will get tired of talking about it. Heck we might even have another one go boom just to keep things interesting. Remember Soyuz has 2 launch pads in Balk so given the right incentive (money) they can certainly beat one launch a month. Heck build them cheap little sats and lets have a Zenit launch on the 4th of July! Remember, the time to buy is when everyone else is looking the other way. Telecom seems to be getting more and more exposure of late. Airtouch and Vodaphone are both G* players. All the craze is 'national footprints' and 'global roaming' and not paying every local phone company a royalty when your customer uses their infrastructure. G* is just the ticket. Look how much the stock has recovered with absolutely NO good news since August. Hold on, once the birds start to fly, the ride will be as good a 'white knuckler' as they come - or maybe not :-) The business plan is sound. The execution has been hampered by dealing with people who do not have the same business heritage as we do. I dont know why BS and company thought they were working with a generation of capitalists, there is a lot of momentum in the Russian launch business. It has taken it 10 years to wind down from the loss of government support, cant expect it to spin back up over night. They are now doing the right thing and getting on capitalist rockets. Yes it has cost a year and yes some money has been lost. I take the positive view and hope that they are learning from I* and will flood the market with phones and ground stations - max out the system early. Get all the local service guys on line and making money. Then watch as the local telcos do the work and push the phones to the general population. Once that happens, desperate countries like India and China will be plopping down fixed terminals like nobody's business. They will see how easy it is to connect the masses and the reviews will take care of themselves. Personal time line: 2002. I will give the boys some time yet. Not forever, but some time. Loral has a big year ahead of it. Not all will go according to plan but at least they should be a little better at really having a back-up plan, Lord knows they have should have had enough practice by now! Jeff Vayda Whew, I feel better!

To: Valueman who wrote (2586)	1/20/1999 6:23:00 PM
From: limtex	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 29987

vm and and all - Russia is a fantastic and beautiful country but it is difficult. It is diffcult enough even without 'politics' ...oncew you get into politics in Russia and micx it with business you might as well forget it. I mean forget it as in it will never happen. It is impossible simple as that. Great place to watch ballet and some of the best engineers on the planet and they can do great work and those that are in Israel or the US do do great work. But in Russia sadly forget it. Mr G* go to Boeing go to the Chinese, even go to the French if you want to make a business but sadly our poor Russian friends are totally screwed up. i wish they weren't but they are and that is that. Regards, L