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To: epicure who wrote (28761)	1/22/1999 11:55:00 AM
From: HG	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Hey, I'm a veggie. That does not mean I'm judgemental about the issue. Its mostly personal. Kinda like the freedom of choice which you so strongly advocated. Kinda like which school is best for my child. All depends on what you want for your child. All depends on what I want to get out of my life. Maybe I'm more towards the morality on the "moral slippery rope" of Christina's post, than you or her are. Does that make me right ? I doubt it. Does that make you wrong ? I doubt it. The point of discussion was to understand diverse opinions, rather than justify my own. I think you do have a point. Nihils post was very insightful too. In the end, who defines the extremes ? Man. Who can skew up the definitions ? Man. So there IS no right or wrong. What was a crime centuries ago, is accepted by us today. Its already legalised in China. Relativity at its best. We have perceptions, we have beliefs, shaped by events, values and environment. I have to live by mine. You have to live by yours. No point being judgemental. Can't we just agree to disgree ? Happily ?

To: epicure who wrote (28761)	1/22/1999 12:02:00 PM
From: nihil	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

I agree that one must have the right to do away with oneself if necessary. But one has the right. A good ninja could bite into his tongue and exsanguinate himself, swallowing his own blood so no one could interfere with his intention. A useful skill I learned in guerrilla school. But before we think of this, each person must have unlimited access to effective painkillers. I have lain in hospital in extreme, soul-killing pain, and been refused morphine. Once I threatened a lady doctor with harm, and she, terrified, gave me a shot. Once a courageous Korean nurse accelerated my dose and risked her cap for me. Without the morphine I would have killed myself. I knew how (I did not become addicted). I have had been trained to resist pain. I can tolerate pain so great that once I would have killed myself. Its an old discipline well worth learning if one loves another. The secret is simple, one has to have a love that is greater than one's own life. One lives and endures the pain for love of another greater than one's fear of pain. It also helps to have too little life insurance. To think that a loved one would be better off if one was dead is fatal. To know how to kill oneself without permission gives wondrous freedom. One can always endure instant pain because if it grows unendurable, one can easily end it. To love someone more than one fears pain raises the fatal threshhold. It is loving to live for others. Knowledge that one need not endure illimitable pain, allows one to concentrate on his love of his own life which serves one's lover. Without love why would any ever choose to live?