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To: Jay Lowe who wrote (4685)1/22/1999 11:14:00 PM
From: Scott Garee  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 29970
 
Anybody else got onto an ATHM subscriber page from outside 24.x.x.x?

My portal server is lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.71], so it looks like they're consistent with the naming. They have specific provisions for retrieving mail from outside 24, so I assume they firewall off most external access. From inside you can really see a lot of interesting things, if you know what I mean.

Believe me, within the 24 network you don't go slow. Hit the net and it's no different than anywhere else, though I've actually hit 500KB/s (yes, capital B) from non-@Home servers. Yes, I smile when it happens. :)

It really causes mixed emotions. I want @Home to get the subscribers, but in someone else's neighborhood. ;-)



To: Jay Lowe who wrote (4685)1/22/1999 11:59:00 PM
From: Ted Schnur  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 29970
 
Jay,

>> This is extraordinarily pitiful. Hop count and
>> times within ATHM are about as bad as possible.

Jay, If you take a close look at your traceroute, the first 14 hops are outside the ATHM network, and outside their control. Also note that at least 7 of the hops look like ATM links that typicaly run at 622Mb/s… which is very fast… unless they are connected to old routers… or overloaded routers, or links, or… (You get the idea). While you can't use this information to measure performance, you are correct in assuming that a well-designed network would have a small number of hops to any location.

But then, who claimed that the Internet was well designed?

Regarding a previous post on how ATHM customer get to the internal portal. My ATHM connection in Sunnyvale, CA shows the following tracert results:

Tracing route to lh2.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.71]

1 10 ms <10 ms <10 ms r1-et6-0-10bt.snvl1.sfba.home.net [24.1.0.2]
2 <10 ms <10 ms 10 ms 10.0.255.9
3 <10 ms <10 ms 10 ms lh2.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.71]

Trace complete.

Note the times (<10 ms!) and the number of hops. The access times will also depend your location. For example, ATHM and Yahoo are in the bay area, so my access is

Tracing route to www4.yahoo.com [204.71.200.69]

1 <10 ms 10 ms <10 ms r1-et6-0-10bt.snvl1.sfba.home.net [24.1.0.2]
2 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 10.0.255.9
3 <10 ms <10 ms 10 ms bb1-fe0-0-100bt.rdc1.sfba.home.net [24.0.0.2]
4 <10 ms <10 ms 10 ms hssi1-1.br3.SNV.globalcenter.net [206.251.7.201]
5 <10 ms <10 ms 10 ms fe0-1.hr5.SNV.globalcenter.net [206.251.5.14]
6 <10 ms 10 ms <10 ms www4.yahoo.com [204.71.200.69]

Trace complete.

I doubt that I can get faster access to yahoo without being in the yahoo offices. This can also be a very powerful selling point. When I showed a friend my ATHM access, the first thing that he did is go to the site that he was most familiar with… yahoo! And of course, you can imagine his impression!

If I try a site a bit further, and outside the ATHM network, say www.bloomberg.com, I get a ping return of about 300 - 400 ms with 10 hops. ATHM has a marketing agreement with Bloomberg. On the finance page of the content site, you can get a video market update downloaded to your system (recorded at 100 Kbps bandwith & framerate of 15 frames/sec using Real Meada player). Tonights update was 1884 KB downloaded in about 20 sec, and played for 2:21 min. Now guess where this tidbit comes from…

Tracing route to lh2.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.71]

1 10 ms <10 ms <10 ms r1-et6-0-10bt.snvl1.sfba.home.net [24.1.0.2]
2 10 ms <10 ms 10 ms 10.0.255.9
3 <10 ms <10 ms 10 ms bb1-fe0-0-100bt.rdc1.sfba.home.net [24.0.0.2]
4 40 ms 50 ms 50 ms 172.16.3.186
5 50 ms 40 ms 50 ms lh2.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.71]

From an ATHM server inside their network! While I had to search for this information, the typical user would have no idea that some of the sites they may be viewing was being delivered from ATHM's internal network. The impression is the same… FAST!

OK, I claimed that the Internet was not will designed. That may not be true for ATHM and their "parallel Internet." (see home.com

I hope this helps … (well, I had fun!)

Ted