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To: Paul Engel who wrote (47164)	1/24/1999 9:20:00 PM
From: ajbrenner	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1570548

Paul, I don't agree but thank you for your well reasoned response. ajb

To: Paul Engel who wrote (47164)	1/24/1999 9:38:00 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1570548

RE:"The net sum is that Intel will once again be the recipient of MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF FREE PUBLICITY - every news program on every network will cover the controversy - newspaper HEADLINES will sport Intel and the Intel Inside LOGO all over their pages, etc."... ---------- What ARE you smoking? This could be very serious. Jim

To: Paul Engel who wrote (47164)	1/24/1999 9:41:00 PM
From: Cirruslvr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1570548

Paul - RE: "Most home users connect through an ISP - and that ISP could very easily monitor and record EVERY bit and Byte sent and received by EVERY CUSTOMER. An ISP could monitor and record EVERY WEB SITE that you or any other customer visits, as well. This information could then be sold to whoever wants that data - Ken Starr, Mr. Rodgers, AMerican Express, etc., etc." Yes, but does the average internet user know this??? No. All they know is that they call a number and they are on the net. They don't know that their ISP can track them if it wanted to. If this issue gets well known, and it may with all the controversy surrounding it, the average internet user will read the good and bad of it. Who knows which side they will focus on. RE: "Further, how can you be sure that your ISP isn't being "hacked" and that some Cyberterrorist isn't doing the exact same thing?" Lets see, what are the chances of that happening. Saddam may be watching that I am at the AMD board at SI. I hope they don't send in their spies and get me tomorrow. Only the scaredy cats within the group of scaredy cats would worry, or even think of that. I wonder how you got such an idea... RE: "The net sum is that Intel will once again be the recipient of MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF FREE PUBLICITY - every news program on every network will cover the controversy - newspaper HEADLINES will sport Intel and the Intel Inside LOGO all over their pages, etc." HELLO PAUL!!!! Are you thinking correctly tonight?? This is OBVIOUSLY NEGATIVE publicity. You want the country to see people picketing against Intel? Do you??? Do you think Intel liked being "the recipient of MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF FREE PUBLICITY" when the Pentium bug became public a few years ago? Do you think Intel will like people talking bad about them? RE: "And in the end, most users will realize that Intel has provided for extreme Internet security, that the ID access can be turned off at will, and realize that once again, Intel is providing new technology for the future that adds compelling value to their new products." Cheeeeeeeeesy. If you ask me, I would say you work for Intel PR. The only way that may happen is if Intel markets it as such a product. Intel has the muscle to do so, but they don't have the muscle to make the public ignore protesters. It is time to wake up from la-la land Paul. In the short term, this could hurt Intel more than it could help them.

To: Paul Engel who wrote (47164)	1/24/1999 10:14:00 PM
From: Kevin K. Spurway	Respond to of 1570548

Re: "The net sum is that Intel will once again be the recipient of MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF FREE PUBLICITY - every news program on every network will cover the controversy - newspaper HEADLINES will sport Intel and the Intel Inside LOGO all over their pages, etc." Just like Clinton is thanking Monica Lewinsky for all the free publicity? Tough to spin this one into good news. Kevin

To: Paul Engel who wrote (47164)	1/24/1999 10:18:00 PM
From: Bruce A. Thompson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1570548

Hey Paul, RE:"And in the end, most users will realize that Intel has provided for extreme Internet security, that the ID access can be turned off at will, and realize that once again, Intel is providing new technology for the future that adds compelling value to their new products" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul, Privacy isn't important. Not as important as, say, the right of every software maker being able to call up Intel and find out who is using their software and if they all have paid for it. Hey, if I put a tap on your phone and monitored every call you make, that would be OK. Wouldn't it? I mean, I would just use the information to put together a long distance product to sell you. I mean, that would be OK. Wouldn't it? Unless, of course, you called someone on my private list of software pirates. Then I would be duty bound to tell the proper authorities. But that would be your own fault because you aren't entitled to privacy anymore. How about I monitor your checking account and notify you if you were getting close to running out of money. I mean, both you and the bank would appreciate that. Wouldn't you? And hey, I could probably call it research into packaging a "Value Added" product to sell your bank. And, if by accident, I found out you were sending $9,000 checks out of the country? Hey, that would be your own fault. Wouldn't it. Better yet, how about I hire some private detectives to follow your wife around in the mall to look over her sholder and monitor which credit card she was using and where she shopped? Hey, all I would be trying to do is sell you a better credit card. That would be OK. Wouldn't it? I mean, you don't seem to be upset that Intel is trying to take away some more of your privacy. Hell, I bet you have a camera mounted in the mirror over your dresser. I bet you get home from work and go in your bedroom and show your ID card to the camera before you sit down to dinner. Do you feel safe doing that? <GGGG> Bruce

To: Paul Engel who wrote (47164)	1/25/1999 1:04:00 AM
From: Petz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1570548

Paul, re:<that ISP could very easily monitor and record EVERY bit and Byte sent and received by EVERY CUSTOMER> The information revealed by the Intel scheme is MUCH more dangerous. In order for a website to gather useful information about people visiting their site 1)they would have to contact every ISP in the country and attempt to buy the information, 2)many ISP's would refuse to divulge the information and would break customer contracts if they did Conversely, with the Intel ID code scheme every byte of data is traceable to a unique CPU owned by an Intel customer, without any ISP search required or monetary cost. The possibilities for abuse are STAGGERING. Petz