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To: Cirruslvr who wrote (47355)1/25/1999 11:36:00 PM
From: Paul Engel  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1571431
 
Cringe - AMD has lost the lead in notebook CPU performance .

Too bad - they had that lead for such a short time.

Looks like Compaq, HP, Dell, Gateway (Maxwell's Dream), NEC, Toshiba, and IBM are all on board.

Some of the new 366 MHz Dixon/Pentium II PEs will even be available for sale right here in the US of A.

Paul

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infoworld.com

Intel rolls out Performance Enhanced mobile chips

By Dan Briody and Ephraim Schwartz
InfoWorld Electric

Posted at 1:30 PM PT, Jan 25, 1999
BURLINGAME, Calif. -- Intel introduced six new mobile chips Monday, two based on the concept of the Celeron with less cache and lower cost to system OEMs. The other four Pentium II processors are being designated Performance Enhanced (PE) because their newly integrated Level 2 cache provides an added speed boost, Intel officials said.

The PE Pentium II processors include 266-MHz, 300-MHz, 333-MHz, and 366-MHz versions.

PE Pentium II have 256KB integrated or on-die Level 2 cache, as opposed to the 512KB Level 2 cache on regular Pentium IIs, which is external to the processor package. The on-die cache is able to perform at the same speed as the processor; external cache runs at half the speed.

An Intel representative said that 256KB of on-die cache will outperform 512KB external cache by about 5 percent.

The wave of mobile chips speaks to Intel's serious commitment to the mobile market.

"We think that the difference in total cost of ownership of notebooks vs. desktops is far offset by the added productivity
of a mobile user," said Bob Jecmen, vice president and general manager of the mobile and handheld products group at Intel, in Santa Clara, Calif.

Jecmen added that over the next few years, Intel's 65,000-employee workforce would become more than 80 percent mobile.

Forthcoming innovations in the mobile space from Intel include the .18 micron technology, which will allow for higher performance and lower battery consumption, expected in the middle of this year. Also expected this year is the mobile Pentium III, which will replace the Pentium II.

As expected Monday, a chorus of notebook vendors revved up their products with Intel's new chips. However, at the same time, several OEMs preached the virtues of stable and consistent platforms.

New notebooks from Compaq, Toshiba, and Dell, based on 366-MHz Pentium II processors, are intended to make the PC qualification process easier for IT administrators.

"These are the kinds of solutions we've been asking for years," said one IT manager at a Fortune 500 company. "Speed is great, but we need consistency more than anything."

Compaq Computer (www.compaq.com) has responded with a promise of a consistent platform through the first half of this year, and minimal to no changes in the software image of its Armada 7000, 6500, and 3500 lines.

Although the PC giant is refreshing its 7800, 7400, 3500, and 1700 lines with the faster Pentium IIs, it will maintain the current configuration of the 6500 line, with a 300-MHz Pentium II processor and a 6.4GB hard drive.

Toshiba America Information Systems (www.toshiba.com) on Monday chimed in with refreshes of its Satellite brand, geared for small and midsize businesses. The Satellite 4080XCDT, with a 366-MHz Pentium II processor, a 6.4GB
hard drive, and a 14.1-inch monitor, will be priced at $3,199.

"Our customers have told us to stop the madness," said Chris Pollitt, group manager of Toshiba's portable product
marketing division. "Sure we want the latest chips, but we [also want] stability. We need a platform we can qualify once
and deploy over the next year or longer."

Dell Computer (www.dell.com) refreshed its Latitude line with a 366-MHz Pentium II processor, 64MB of RAM, a 13.3-inch monitor, a 4.3GB hard drive, and a 24X CD-ROM, priced at $2,999.

Hewlett-Packard (www.hp.com) chimed in as well, adding the new Pentium II 366-MHz chips to its OmniBook 4150 and recently announced 900 lines. The OmniBook 4150 will include a 10.lGB hard drive, 128MB of Synchronous DRAM (SDRAM), and a 14.1-inch display, priced starting at $4,999. The four-pound OmniBook 900 will come with a
6.4GB hard drive, 32MB of SDRAM, and a 12.1-inch display, priced at $3,399.

Also Monday, NEC (www.nec.com) announced a thin-and-light Versa SX based on the 366-MHz chip, in addition to a Celeron-based system.

Gateway (www.gateway.com) also announced new products Monday. The 300-MHz Intel Celeron chip will be incorporated into Gateway's Solo 2500, replacing the 233-MHz Pentium. The Solo 2500 will also include a 12.1-inch active matrix display, a 2GB hard drive, floppy and CD/ROM drives, and a V.90 modem, priced starting at $1,699.

Solos will also use the new PE Pentium IIs at all performance levels, priced starting at $2,499, with a 13.3-inch active matrix display and a digital video disc drive.

Intel Corp., in Santa Clara, Calif., can be reached at www.intel.com.

Dan Briody is InfoWorld's client/server editor. InfoWorld Editor at Large Ephraim Schwartzis based in San Francisco.



To: Cirruslvr who wrote (47355)1/26/1999 12:17:00 AM
From: Tenchusatsu  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1571431
 
<Interesting, a writer for the Microprocessor Report thinks Intel should have released Willamette by now. Maybe he knows something about the K7's performance. Why else would he state that Intel is in "a position where it must rely on its competitor to fall flat"?>

With that article, I just lost a lot of respect for Linley Gwennap. I'll just refute some of the quotes from that article:

AMD's next effort, the K7, appears at least a year ahead of Intel's seventh-generation processor, code-named Willamette.

How in the world did Mr. Gwennap fall into the notion that AMD's definition of seventh-generation is the same as Intel's definition? Perhaps he also thinks that the Alpha 21364 is a revolutionary leap over the 21264. (It isn't; the 364 is only a 264 with an integrated RDRAM controller.)

With KNI, Intel's problem was finding the right launch vehicle.

Huh? I guess with MMX, Intel was also trying to find the right launch vehicle as well. Do we put it on the Pentium core, or hold off until we can put it on the P6 core and call it Pentium II? He makes no sense.

Although the vendor has yet to disclose the full details of KNI and its implementation in Katmai, the new instructions (see MPR 10/5/98, p. 1) appear superior to 3DNow.

Appear superior? After the MPR article that was referenced said that KNI is clearly superior?

Instead of Katmai, Intel should be introducing Willamette.

Perhaps Mr. Gwennap is assuming that Intel can't do any better than a K7-look-alike for Willamette. Without giving any details, I can assure you that his assumption is wrong. At the very worst, there is an eighteen-month window of opportunity for AMD to exploit. That window will only grow smaller, especially if AMD fails to execute as before.

If this proliferation of processors for specific market segments has in fact delayed Willamette, Intel made a poor choice. A next-generation core can be deployed across the board, helping all product lines.

Mr. Gwennap is wrong. There is no way that either Intel or AMD will deploy their seventh-generation processors across all market segments. I don't forsee AMD replacing their K6-2 (or K6-3) with the K7 in the low-end in the next two years, and I don't forsee Intel replacing the Celeron with some form of Willamette two years after its introduction. Or maybe Mr. Gwennap can try and convince AMD to replace their low-end K6 processors with the expensive K7, and watch as AMD's retail marketshare evaporates.

As the putative technology leader, however, Intel should never have gotten into a position where it must rely on its competitor to fall flat.

Rather, Intel should have crushed the competition before they even got a chance, thus raising the heads of the FTC, the DOJ, Janet Reno, Ralph Nader, and every other "monopoly-hunter" out there.

To conclude my rather long rant, I'm not saying that Intel made all the right decisions in the past, nor am I saying that AMD can do nothing but fail. But I am saying that Linley Gwennap is way off-the-mark with his latest article. Perhaps those "K7 foils" (â„¢Elmer) succeeded in brainwashing Mr. Gwennap as well.

By the way, I'll be e-mailing Linley Gwennap a revised copy of my rant just to see what he has to say in response.

Tenchusatsu



To: Cirruslvr who wrote (47355)1/26/1999 2:25:00 AM
From: Petz  Respond to of 1571431
 
Cirruslvr, basically to jump ahead, AMD needs the 0.25u K7 before Intel makes a 0.18u P6 processor (name?). They will stay ahead if they produce the 0.18 K7 before Intel makes the Willamette. Also, AMD could pull at least equal to Intel in performance, but not in MHz or selling price, if the K6-3 450 beats the Pentium III 500 to market.

At the current time it appears that K6-3-450 before Pentium III 500 is very likely in 2-3 weeks.

K7 (0.25) before Pentium III (0.18) appears possible, but I believe Intel is speeding up their 0.18 process rollout.

K7 (0.18) before Willamette (0.18) appears very likely, based on the MP Report editor's opinion.

Petz