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To: nihil who wrote (24020)2/1/1999 9:38:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Nihil;

Your ignorance of Christian theology is pitiable.
That he was mad, mad with pain and suffering on the cross which he sought, matters not at all to me but makes me pity him even more.

Job 19:21 Have pity upon me, have pity upon me, O ye my friends; for the hand of God hath touched me.
22 Why do ye persecute me as God, and are not satisfied with my flesh?
23 ¶ Oh that my words were now written! oh that they were printed in a book!
24 That they were graven with an iron pen and lead in the rock for ever!
25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

Proverbs 28:8 ¶ He that by usury and unjust gain increaseth his substance, he shall gather it for him that will pity the poor.
9 ¶ He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
10 ¶ Whoso causeth the righteous to go astray in an evil way, he shall fall himself into his own pit: but the upright shall have good things in possession.
11 ¶ The rich man is wise in his own conceit; but the poor that hath understanding searcheth him out.
12 ¶ When righteous men do rejoice, there is great glory: but when the wicked rise, a man is hidden.
13 ¶ He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
14 ¶ Happy is the man that feareth alway: but he that hardeneth his heart shall fall into mischief.
15 ¶ As a roaring lion, and a ranging bear; so is a wicked ruler over the poor people.
16 ¶ The prince that wanteth understanding is also a great oppressor: but he that hateth covetousness shall prolong his days.
17 ¶ A man that doeth violence to the blood of any person shall flee to the pit; let no man stay him.
18 ¶ Whoso walketh uprightly shall be saved: but he that is perverse in his ways shall fall at once.
19 ¶ He that tilleth his land shall have plenty of bread: but he that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough.
20 ¶ A faithful man shall abound with blessings: but he that maketh haste to be rich shall not be innocent.
21 ¶ To have respect of persons is not good: for for a piece of bread that man will transgress.
22 ¶ He that hasteth to be rich hath an evil eye, and considereth not that poverty shall come upon him.
23 ¶ He that rebuketh a man afterwards shall find more favour than he that flattereth with the tongue.
24 ¶ Whoso robbeth his father or his mother, and saith, It is no transgression; the same is the companion of a destroyer.
25 ¶ He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the LORD shall be made fat.
26 ¶ He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
27 ¶ He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse.
28 ¶ When the wicked rise, men hide themselves: but when they perish, the righteous increase.
1 ¶ He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.
2 ¶ When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

No need to Pity me I am happy with what I believe. And as for the one who laid down his life it becomes more clear of his love for us all.

Alan



To: nihil who wrote (24020)2/1/1999 7:09:00 PM
From: Kid Rock  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Orthodox and Catholic Christians hold that Jesus had a dual nature -- god and man -- that he suffered on the cross, died, descended in to hell, was raised again and sitteth at the right hand of God.

nihil,

point of information: the Orthodox creed specifically does not state that Christ died, only that he suffered, descended, and raised again.

Tom