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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (31801)	2/3/1999 3:20:00 AM
From: pezz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

<< These cycles mean little, since no one really knows what dictates the pattern. So this year didn't conform to the pattern? No one really knows what it means. >> My friend you are fighting a losing battle here . When Newt resigned he himself acknowledged that the party has taken a loss and that the responsibility was his.There is nothing more to be said.<<In fact, the best analysis that I heard is that voters regard the Republicans as the party in power, and that we had been misled by the fact that the White House is occupied by a nominal Democrat, so in that sense the patterned held, and the party in power lost seats.>> Well you can look at it this way if you want but the party in power has always meant the White House. Seems like a stretch to me. << GW Bush continues to lead Gore by about 20 points.>> At last you make a good point. Unfortunately for the Republicans GW apparently has too many sexual skeletons in his closet and thanks to the republicans lynching of Bill Clinton on the subject of sex he seems afraid to run. Himmmm.... never was too sure about the term "hoist on your own petard" could it be? pez

To: Neocon who wrote (31801)	2/3/1999 8:01:00 AM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

Damaged by Clinton Trial, Senate Sinks in Public's Eye; G.O.P. Is Hurt More nytimes.com Pity, that. Couldn't happen to a nicer party. Neocon, I didn't know you were such a big fan of Newt. Did you also like his non-partisan, professional handling of the Starr report and videotape dump? You would have been right at home here after the Nov. elections, where Republicans in denial was the order of the day. Newt, to his credit, was not one of them. Then there's your new factoid about GWB leading the polls by 20%. As I said elsewhere, the last time this came up, it turned out to be 3-5%, within the statistical margin of error of the poll. Do you have a more recent poll to cite? Then there's the name recognition factor, many of those "stupid voters" the Republicans love to berate probably can't distinguish between GWB and his father. Anyway, on to that other poll. While the public wants to move on, in the Times/CBS News Poll, 62 percent said they cared a lot about how the trial turned out. Two-thirds of Americans want their senators to vote against convicting the President so he can remain in office. Sixty-one percent said Clinton's conduct was not serious enough to warrant his ouster, and an overwhelming majority said they were not likely to change their minds on that. Americans fully expect that the Senate will not remove Clinton from office, and they said the Senate should pay attention to the public's desire. Although Americans said each party's public image had flagged because of the impeachment matter, Democrats have fared far better. Two-thirds of Americans said House and Senate Republicans had hurt their party's image in their handling of impeachment. Of those people, 40 percent said House Republicans were more responsible; 24 percent said Senate Republicans. Fifty-six percent of Americans have a positive impression of the Democratic Party; 37 percent hold a negative view. But only 41 percent have a favorable view of the Republican Party; 52 percent view the party unfavorably. "This thing should have been concluded a long time ago; God knows they've spent enough money on it," said Ruth Amick, 72, a poll respondent from Indianapolis who is a Democrat and a retired auto worker. "It's about two parties fighting each other to see who's going to win, either getting Clinton or keeping him in office." Jennifer Hirsch, 29, a homemaker from Orlando, Fla., who is a Republican, defended her party. "I don't like the fact that people just want to get this over with without coming to a conclusion," Ms. Hirsch said. "The Republicans are in uncharted territory, and they are trying to follow the Constitution. The Democrats seem to want to take shortcuts and doctor up the process somewhat. Both parties are going to have to compromise." In the face of the discouraging polls, many prominent Republicans continue to assert that the Senate is on the right course. "I don't buy the argument that it's going to hurt Republicans," Dick Cheney, a former Republican leader in the House and Secretary of Defense, said in an interview from his office in Dallas. "The guys are doing a very difficult assignment that all of them would prefer not to have to deal with. But when I watch Henry Hyde, who's a close friend, and several other people there, it's a bear to be called upon to deal with issues like this." Arguing that if people are not interested in the matter now, they will surely not punish Republicans over it in 2000, Cheney added, "I don't think people outside Washington are spending as much time thinking about what's going on in Washington as people in Washington think they do." The old "forgotten in a month" line. As opposed to the "Democrats will never live this down" line that's become popular here. No predictions from me, of course, maybe heir apparent GWB will run, survive the assaults from the red meat crowd in the primaries, and lead the G.O.P. back to glory. As I said, he does have the advantage of being at a safe distance, and he's not a pompous moralizer either.