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To: TigerPaw who wrote (97014)	2/10/1999 6:16:00 PM
From: Fangorn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 176387

OT TP, I went to school in the sixties and have nieces and nephews in school now plus many friends who are teachers, a brother served on the local school board for several years. My Grandfather taught from the twenties to the fifties. Several Aunts spent their lives teaching. They would all agree that expectations are lower and discipline is minimal when compared to schools pre 1965 or so. Yes I have been in several schools recently and have had plenty of input on this subject. Before WW II you didn't pass if you didn't know the material, Latin was required in most schools, some still taught Greek. An 8th grader in the thirties knew more than the average graduate does today mostly because they had teachers that drilled, drilled, drilled. A friend teaches seventh grade. In one section he has a student with Downe's who has been mainstreamed. Intellectually she is first or second grade level, emotionally maybe 5 or 6 years old. She pulls gum from under the desk and chews it loudly, picks her nose and proudly displays the result for all to see. She does other disruptive things just for attention. Her parents are delighted in her response to mainstreaming but this class falls a little farther behind every day. The other students are paying a price to make this one Developmentally Disabled child feel good about herself. She is NOT learning anything as the class material is completely beyond her understanding and always will be. Next year she will be disrupting 8th grade classes even though there is no way she knows the material required to be promoted. I am not advocating shutting children like this away but why are we handicapping the other students? re DARE... you should have kept your child out of that. Graduates of DARE are at least as likely to use drugs as those who never heard of it. When they figure out the horror stories about marijuana were a crock they will assume that they were lied to about heroin and crack too. Does more harm than good.