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To: Grainne who wrote (30659)	2/10/1999 11:28:00 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 108807

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To: Grainne who wrote (30659)	2/11/1999 5:51:00 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

We were watching Hockenberry(sp?) last night and he had on Jerry Falwell and Tinky Winky. I was surprised at how rational and sane Falwell sounded. He also had a sense of humor, which I always appreciate. While I don't agree with his religious stance on homosexuality, he was not at all the foaming at the mouth bigot I expected. He said that his magazine said nothing that hadn't already been said in the POst, Times, etc. already about the adoption of Tinky Winky by the gay community, and that because theirs was a Christian magazine their approach was that parents should have the information about the characters. There were no calls for boycotts or protests--at least by him. He makes no apologies for being a fundamentalist about his view of gayness as sinful but admitted he had never met Tinky Winky personally. We were more impressed by him than by Hockenberry's rather condescending questioning. Someone made the point that gays adopted Judy Garland, too, but that watching the Wizard of Oz is not thought to affect a child's developing sexuality. And then someone said, "Yeah, and what about Bert and Ernie! They live together!" ANd of course, as I mentioned at DAR, there's sweet, gentle Mr. Rogers and his strange zippy sweaters. Seems to me that if Tinky WInky is nice and kind and good, all the better. You know what scares me?? If the religious right and the good old boys begin attacking an apparently sweet asexual alien because of his mannerisms, what more intolerant behaviors are we again teaching our young? ALready one of the worst things young boys do to each other is label another "gay". When will we learn to judge by actions and character instead of color and voice and testosterone emissions?

To: Grainne who wrote (30659)	2/12/1999 2:16:00 AM
From: Marty Rubin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Finally after over 2 years (Nov 20, 1996), this is my 1000th post. I'm not in a life time crisis, though. I don't belong to a cult. I don't think the world is coming to an end. I don't plan to hump on a UFO ship (whateve that was). I do think there would be number 1001 without the SI crushing. I want to say (my feeling) that I feel OK. I love your thread and it is why I decided to post my 1K post here.

To: Grainne who wrote (30659)	2/21/1999 3:41:00 AM
From: Marty Rubin	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

WASHINGTON OUTLOOK (Business Week March 01, 1999, re. Tinky Winky--Marty) A Long, Dark Night for the Religious Right Until recently, Tinky Winky--one of the stars of the wildly popular Teletubbies kids' TV show--symbolized nothing more than the triumph of silliness. Now, the amorphous purple space-munchkin has come to signify something else: trying times for the Religious Right. Christian conservatives suffered a shattering defeat in the impeachment trial of President Clinton. The mercurial Reverend Pat Robertson has been forced to reclaim the presidency of the Christian Coalition after a lengthy hiatus. And Reverend Jerry Falwell's decision to attack Tinky as a sexually ambiguous advocate of the gay lifestyle drew coast-to-coast snickers. Many conservative Christians still can't accept the fact that two-thirds of Americans think Clinton committed perjury in covering up the Lewinsky affair --but want him to stay on the job by the same margin. ''Our people are disgusted that Clinton got off,'' says Jim Berberich, executive director of the Missouri Christian Coalition. ''Someday people are going to find out that being a conservative Christian is not equivalent to wearing a scarlet letter.'' STANDOFFISH. Scarred by the impeachment fiasco, some Hill GOP leaders are rushing to distance themselves from religious activists faster than you can say: ''Get thee behind me.'' House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) pledges accommodation with Democrats, while working to keep anti-abortion riders off of appropriations bills. And many grassroots officials say that the only way to erase the GOP's dreadful disapproval ratings is to shelve all the moralizing in favor of more engaging issues such as tax cuts, education reforms, and a leaner government. Christian groups' absolutism ''scares the hell out of voters in the middle'' of the political spectrum, says independent pollster John Zogby. New Jersey Governor Christine Whitman told a recent GOP leadership conference in Miami: ''We have got to get away from the perception that all we care about is whether or not Teletubbies are gay.'' How are Christian conservatives reacting to such challenges? According to Morton C. Blackwell, a Virginia-based religious activist and Republican National Committee member, a top priority will be ''working to get House [impeachment] managers reelected.'' Democrats have targeted many of them for defeat in 2000. Beyond that, the Christian Coalition will soon roll out a legislative agenda that blends secular planks (ending the marriage penalty, promoting school choice, backing a Star Wars antimissile system) with calls for a ban on late-term abortions, parental consent for teens seeking abortions, and moves to combat religious persecution overseas. ''Our issues are in the center of public opinion,'' says Randy Tate, the coalition's executive director. ''I don't see how running away from our agenda helps Republican prospects.'' But there's trouble ahead. The Religious Right shows no signs of unifying behind Dan Quayle, Steve Forbes, or any other socially conservative GOP Presidential contender. Meanwhile, semi-spiritual Texas Governor George W. Bush soars. ''It's a time of adversity,'' sighs one religious activist, ''but maybe that will energize people to get involved in our cause.'' After all, miracles do happen. By Lee Walczak, with Richard S. Dunham EDITED BY PAULA DWYER Copyright 1999, by The McGraw-Hill Companies Inc. All rights reserved.