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To: Brian Hornby who wrote (15532)2/15/1999 9:42:00 PM
From: F Robert Simms  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 44573
 
Thanks very much. I guess I would advise sticking with your own system, most traders I know who have been successful long term have their own system that they trust and follow. Have you considered just trading an Emini with the system? Trading options seems to stack the odds against you, however I guess the loss limit feature is attractive.

I very greatly agree. After my experience of December I am desperate to trade the mini. I just don't have enough money left.

I read on the Profit site discussion on the GRNNs. They do give best back tested results, more or less by definition. However I believe the consensus is that they fall apart with out of sample data. Have you tried using a large interval for the hold back date? My procedure is to do the model building with a hold back date early 1998 (say March), then optimize with the pre-hold back date, then finally evaluate the models with the out of sample (post hold back date) data, without any further optimization. Perhaps that is the standard routine for most people and I am sure I am not saying anything you don't know.

Interesting idea. Please let me know how it works out. I usually try to have less out of sample data. Maybe I am wrong.

I am also finding that sometimes adding more variables to a system completely screws it up. For example, today I added inputs based on the SP close to my bond model, and most of the models the system built were negative versus 100% profitable models from the old system. Next thing I will do is start at basics, develop SP models based just on the SP price (and perhaps volume), ditto for Bonds, then add other variables one by one, for example Advance-Decline to the SP model and interest rates to the Bonds, and re-evaluate. In that manner I will know exactly the effect of each new variable and move to complex models only if they add profitability.

One of the key advantages of Profit is to have a bunch of inputs and let Profit find out which inputs are good. If you want fewer inputs then after NGO is started set the maximum number of inputs to what you prefer.

Best Wishes,

Bob