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To: Gerald R. Lampton who wrote (22689)	2/15/1999 8:17:00 PM
From: Charles Hughes	Respond to of 24154

<< OK, so DCOM is doomed, but what about COOL? >> What about it? Microsoft: "Nobody is writing any code to any new language in this company today." That was pretty clear. Some folks whiteboarding stuff matters not at all until they have a development budget and a commitment to market, not to mention a good design and developer community support. Maybe the new Tools Division will do all that, when it exists. Hopefully they will avoid the cloyingly cute name 'cool', as I wish Sun had done with 'Java'. So far there isn't any more to it than Java skeptics like myself have outlined (in terms of how to produce a Java replacement) on the Java chat groups. (Although most people can pronounce 'cool' correctly. That's a benefit. :-) Anyhow, lets not get distracted by msft vaporware PR designed to make them look like an R&D org for PR reasons. As far as I know their 'R&D' is mostly ordinary software maintenance and testing, along with the random TV cable purchase. Plus a hundred independent scientists with grants to do stuff that mostly has nothing to do with computers. None of that adds up to making them a player in new technology. Cheers, Chaz

To: Gerald R. Lampton who wrote (22689)	2/16/1999 12:23:00 AM
From: Bearded One	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24154

The whole point of Microsoft's interest in Java was to destroy the cross platform capabilities. They didn't succeed, but I fail to see how offering an alternative language does anything to Java's cross platform capabilities. Their only hope is to basically make it not worth your while to do cross platform programming. But that is done by eliminating other OS'es, not by offering another language. So Cool don't matter. Visual Basic is already a very cool programming language that is superior to Java in several ways, but it hasn't stopped Java's popularity. Java in some ways is like Linux. It offers something that Microsoft can't offer without destroying itself, which makes it hard for Microsoft to directly challenge. With Linux, it's the cost, with Java it's the cross platform capabilities.

To: Gerald R. Lampton who wrote (22689)	2/16/1999 10:00:00 AM
From: Daniel Schuh	Respond to of 24154

Microsoft Denies Rumors That It Is Crafting a Language Like Java nytimes.com On that subject, as on many others, Microsoft is in denial. How does it go, fear, anger, denial, rejection, acceptance? Anyway, COOL is cool with me, it was my recommendation early on when the embrace and demolish effort on the Java front became clear. There's really nothing that's that new in Java, it's a nice synthesis but it's not quantum mechanics or anything. Microsoft wants to turn it into Visual Foobar, available only on Windows, that's their right, they should just call it something else. Cheers, Dan.