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To: David Harker who wrote (5537)2/18/1999 6:04:00 PM
From: E. Davies  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 29970
 
While I hate to give into the nonsense that a split actually means anything I would like to make a counter-arguments just to cover all views:
Growth stock prices are basically just priced on psychology. People buy & sell until the point at which the price "feels right". You sure cant base the price on PE.
So what happens? Everyone "feels" that DELL @ 50 is cheap and DELL @100 is expensive. It actually means a lot to the psychology.
The stock price also gives people psychological feedback as to the kind and quality of the stock. Everyone "knows" that a sub$20 stock for instance is higher risk and less stable.
ATHM needs to be in the psychological levels of the major net stocks like AOL & YHOO. A price above $100 is a good thing, I dont think ATHM should even think of splitting until at least $200.
How much impact does this mind-game stuff have? Hard to say, but I think it is a lot more and lasts a lot longer than the "rational" person will admit.
Eric



To: David Harker who wrote (5537)2/18/1999 7:13:00 PM
From: ftth  Respond to of 29970
 
Don't Be Fooled By Stock-Split Mania.

Fortune, Feb 1, 1999 v139 i2 p154(1)


LOOK FOR EARNINGS, NOT HYPE

This split thing is getting way out of hand. Not long ago, in response to a reader who wanted to know if there was any Internet site
that predicted stock splits, I wrote, "Not that I know of." Goes to show what I don't know. I got bombarded by readers giving me the
name of a website that claims to know which companies will be next to split their stocks. The site--which I won't identify, on moral
grounds--touts trading splits as "very profitable." It goes on to say: "We have a large, power-packed group of stocks we feel will
announce splits very soon. Wouldn't you relish the idea of owning the stock before the split announcement?"

Oh, please! When the possibility of a split becomes the chief reason to buy a stock--so much so that investors wear beepers to alert
them to splits--we're all in trouble. Splits, after all, began as a Wall Street gimmick to help individual investors avoid a penalty that
brokers used to charge for "odd lot" purchases (fewer than 100 shares of a given stock). Companies like it when retail investors buy
their stock, because individuals are generally considered more loyal than institutions, but the higher a company's stock price rises,
the fewer individuals there are who can afford to buy a 100-share block. "American management discovered long ago that the
average individual investor likes to buy stocks that trade at $40 per share," says veteran market pundit Bob Stovall, of
Stovall/Twenty First Advisers. Hence, the urge to split.

But today the so-called "odd-lot differential" has disappeared, and individuals have become just as fickle as institutions. So stock
splits are now often little more than hocus-pocus to trick unsophisticated investors into thinking they're getting a bargain when they
really aren't--the Wall Street equivalent of pricing something at $19.99 instead of $20. In the most common of all splits, a two for
one, one share at $50 becomes two shares at $25. Yet you're no wealthier than you were. The company's capitalization is no different
than it was. Technically, nothing has changed except the perception that the stock has suddenly become cheap and affordable.

That perception, however, is very strong. Splits have become a "retail phenomenon," says Bill Meehan, chief market strategist at
Cantor Fitzgerald. The number of New York Stock Exchange splits rose by 41%, to 235, between 1996 and 1997 and stayed at
roughly the same volume in 1998. Last year, according to S&P, some companies even split their stocks twice. (Sorry, but nobody
keeps statistics of Nasdaq splits, which is where much of the most questionable action has taken place, thanks to the insanity over
Internet stocks.)

"People have always loved splits," says Joe Tigue, managing editor of Standard & Poor's The Outlook newsletter. Tigue says you
really can predict stock splits, which is why his 80-year-old publication gets frequent requests to reprint its list of split candidates.
"If a company has a history of splitting, and the price is where it was when the last split occurred, chances are it'll split again," he
says.

In the past, in fact, stocks that split tended to go higher, according to S&P--but not because of the split: they went up because earnings
were rising. (There was a time, in fact, when splits were always followed by a boost in a company's quarterly dividend.) "Earnings
can be faked, they can be transient," Stovall says. "But dividends reflect real value." Without earnings and dividends, he adds, "all
you're doing is fanning the speculative fires."

Which is what seems to be going on much of the time in today's split-crazy market. Stocks that are splitting often have no earnings
momentum or even any earnings at all--Internet stocks being notable examples. And dividend increases have become very rare.

The final reason this split thing is getting out of control: While splits remain a hit with small investors, they've also become a favorite
of the day-trading/momentum crowd, which bounces from one hot stock to another in search of anything that will produce a trade. The
trend hasn't gone unnoticed by corporate executives, who are under pressure to manage the performance of their stocks. Notice that
when Amazon.com's stock started to swoon back in November, the company announced a split. Never mind that it isn't expected to
post a profit for another year or two. Amazon said the reason for the split was to increase liquidity by boosting the number of shares
outstanding. And Amazon's stock immediately reversed itself and within weeks added more than 100 points as it crossed the $300
mark.

The stock-split mania isn't going to end anytime soon. If you find you're starting to believe the hype, ask yourself two questions: Why
does Berkshire Hathaway trade above $60,000 per share, and why has it never split? The answer: Because Warren Buffett believes
that over the long term, tricks don't necessarily make the best trade.



To: David Harker who wrote (5537)2/18/1999 10:38:00 PM
From: A. Robbins  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 29970
 
Regarding splits, by your basic econ. textbook you are correct. But let me ask you this question. How many shares of BRKA do you, or have you owned? Probably none. That money instead wound up in another stock, say Dell which in turn helped propel that stock upward. This is because as a rational man you found investing 70,000 for one share too expensive (especially if you didn't have it to begin with), and the P&L swings due to the lower liquidity of BRKA too unsettling. The same argument can be given for BRKB. I know your going to say the market will always value a stock efficiently and that it never lies ect... The truth is though that these economic principles do not reflect market psychology, which is what makes Larry the plumber down the street buy 100 shares of BROADCOM today at 60 rather than 50 shares yesterday at 120 (before split). He perceives he taking less risk and getting more value for his money. And to further my argument regarding the market efficiently valuating stocks.. look at BRCM's P/E then throw your text book out the window. Stock Splits do matter, at least for the short term, and the text book is right now being rewritten by AOL GNET AMZN ect...

Anyway, Long ATHM.