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To: epicure who wrote (31317)	2/20/1999 1:29:00 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

DOn't forget BAch, arguably the greatest musical genius of all, who I assume from the number of progeny, the prolificacy of his works, and his absolute devotion to God, didn't have time for much else.

To: epicure who wrote (31317)	2/20/1999 1:45:00 PM
From: Rick Julian	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

A supportive loving muse can be a great asset to a great man- perhaps muses are hard to find today, but in the past history has been replete with them. So true: a supportive woman/muse is a great asset, AND they are harder to find today -- the role of women has changed quite a bit in the last century, and far fewer are willing to sublimate their lives and individuality in service to the nurturing of their artist/husband/lover's work and career. Women aspire to become more actualized in the pursuit of their own identities and vocational interests within relationships, and are more demanding of reciprocal support in this pursuit. I think this makes for happier and more fulfilled women, yet diminishes the hot house nurturing they once provided artists. Doggonit, martyrism just ain't what it used to be. . . p.s. I don't pretend to be even a near great artist--I'm just a guy who's been able to string a few words and notes together well enough to make a living in music.

To: epicure who wrote (31317)	2/20/1999 2:09:00 PM
From: Rambi	Respond to of 108807

Because of society-imposed limitations on women, the majority of great thinkers and artists of the past have been male. And while women have broken free to a great extent from these creative chains, the residuals of that thinking are still very evident. Artistic achievement in women is still regarded with an element of surprise, as if she were in some way abnormal. And maybe she is, in our society. Of course, as you say, genius is often perverse, probably because it is genius. Still, it is rare to find men acting as muse and martyr to a female talent. If patterns can be found in the past it isn't because genius is restricted to category (as you said so well) but because man has limited its outlet to certain more "acceptable" categories.